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    Posted: December 15 2020 at 11:47
I'm a Dire Straits fan. Really I am. Here's a brief summary of the band's career:

The first two albums can best be described as "Ry Cooder meets Bob Dylan".

The third album, Making Movies, adds a Springsteen influence (thanks, Roy Bittan and Jimmy Iovine).

The fourth album, Love over Gold, is a masterpiece, but the Dylan influence is still prevalent (especially on "Industrial Disease"). Alan Clarke's magnificent keyboard work gives the album a "prog-lite" flavor.

For the last two albums, Knopfler's greatest influence was suddenly Randy Newman. This has continued on into his solo career, where he's become a caustic, yet jaded social-commentator.

Do any of the names above (Cooder, Dylan, Springsteen, Newman) make you think of prog?
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Love Over Gold is an excellent album (Telegraph Road is a masterpiece), and in my opinion it would fit as a crossover album. Other than it, I can't think of anything else except for Brothers In Arms' title track as at least, prog-related. So, perhaps it isn't enough. Still, I like Dire Straits.
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Dont really know. But money for nothing and your charges for free hehehe
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Dont really know. But money for nothing and your charges for free hehehe
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Short answer: NOOOOOOOO!

Have you heard Alan Parson Project's debut album TALES OF MYSTERY AND IMAGINATION?

That's a prog masterpiece and unlike the silly pop fluff that followed (for the most part).

Wishbone Ash was one of those early hard rock bands that had prog characteristics like Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and others.

Dire Straits has no connection to the prog world and doesn't have any remotely prog attributes and i own all their albums so quite familiar with them.

Prog related here makes no sense until you investigate further so don't make simple conclusions based on an album or two you may have heard from an artist.

That's actually a fair point now that I think about it. Tales of Mystery and Imagination is really nothing like any dire straits album, but I was thinking more about Ammonia Avenue or Eye In The Sky. ヅ
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Originally posted by twseel twseel wrote:

Originally posted by Matti Matti wrote:

DS was my first favourite band when I was 12 years, just before finding prog. I still love especially the album Love Over Gold: 'Telegraph Road' expanded my musical horizon as a long rock composition.
Wow, it was pretty much the exact same for me, except I was probably 13 or 14... But yeah, I'd agree with Sean Trane's evaluation mostly, though I will say that Love Over Gold is basically just as proggy as Pink Floyd was from DSotM onwards, although that probably says more about people's image of Pink Floyd.
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Originally posted by Matti Matti wrote:

DS was my first favourite band when I was 12 years, just before finding prog. I still love especially the album Love Over Gold: 'Telegraph Road' expanded my musical horizon as a long rock composition.
Wow, it was pretty much the exact same for me, except I was probably 13 or 14... But yeah, I'd agree with Sean Trane's evaluation mostly, though I will say that Love Over Gold is basically just as proggy as Pink Floyd was from DSotM onwards, although that probably says more about people's image of Pink Floyd.
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Short answer: NOOOOOOOO!

Have you heard Alan Parson Project's debut album TALES OF MYSTERY AND IMAGINATION?

That's a prog masterpiece and unlike the silly pop fluff that followed (for the most part).

Wishbone Ash was one of those early hard rock bands that had prog characteristics like Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and others.

Dire Straits has no connection to the prog world and doesn't have any remotely prog attributes and i own all their albums so quite familiar with them.

Prog related here makes no sense until you investigate further so don't make simple conclusions based on an album or two you may have heard from an artist.

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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

DS in terms of prgginess:

MM: 4/10
LOG: 6/10
BIA (side A: 0/10, side B 6/10), so 3/10
The rest (three other studio albums): 0/10

not enough to warrant an inclusion

BTW, I like DS a fair amount, but only kept LOG (no knofler solo album either)



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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Wishbone Ash have at least made some out and out prog albums.
 
I believe Argos is the proggiest  Wishbone Ash album. 

It was a great catalogue as well, the laminated book of dreams.
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Wishbone Ash have at least made some out and out prog albums.
 
I believe Argos is the proggiest  Wishbone Ash album. 

It was a great catalogue as well, the laminated book of dreams.
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Wishbone Ash have at least made some out and out prog albums.
 
I believe Argos is the proggiest  Wishbone Ash album. Most of WA's albums are Hard Rock, apart from their two techno dance albums, obviously Smile
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Wishbone Ash have at least made some out and out prog albums.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

I don't find DS to be prog in the least but the Love Over Gold albun is superb.

I second that :)
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I love Dire Straits, although I wouldn't want to be in dire straits. Tongue
 
 
I've never considered Dire Straits to be a prog band either, but I'm going to add them to my Prog Britannia channel anyway, simply because I like them. Smile
 
The same goes for Fleetwood Mac too. Wink


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DS in terms of prgginess:

MM: 4/10
LOG: 6/10
BIA (side A: 0/10, side B 6/10), so 3/10
The rest (three other studio albums): 0/10

not enough to warrant an inclusion

BTW, I like DS a fair amount, but only kept LOG (no knofler solo album either)




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DS was my first favourite band when I was 12 years, just before finding prog. I still love especially the album Love Over Gold: 'Telegraph Road' expanded my musical horizon as a long rock composition. And I agree there are other DS songs with a slight (VERY slight) progness. But in general they are NOT a prog band AT ALL.
So, it's a firm no, I don't wish or expect to see DS in the ProgArchives database. There are lots of pop/rock bands and artists with occasional prog-related flavour, it would be pointless to accept artists on such marginal, occasional progness. Jane Siberry is another good example (I've suggested her myself many years ago, and respected the rejection).
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Remotely prog related at one or two, maybe three occasions, that's it. Love over Gold is a masterpiece and has some proggish elements as well.

Not fit for inclusion in PA, methinks.


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Originally posted by asbestosLovesProg asbestosLovesProg wrote:

Am I wrong? If Alan Parsons Project is prog, and Wishbone Ash is prog related, so is Dire Straits, no? I mean Brothers in Arms is at least prog related, if you ask me. Also Love Over Gold? That's borderline prog. I'm curious what you guys think.

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If DS is prog, then Chet Atkins is prog-related.
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