Dire Straits - Prog Related At Least
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Topic: Dire Straits - Prog Related At Least
Posted By: asbestosLovesProg
Subject: Dire Straits - Prog Related At Least
Date Posted: November 25 2020 at 13:39
| Am I wrong? If Alan Parsons Project is prog, and Wishbone Ash is prog related, so is Dire Straits, no? I mean Brothers in Arms is at least prog related, if you ask me. Also Love Over Gold? That's borderline prog. I'm curious what you guys think. |
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 25 2020 at 14:11
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Moved this topic to General Music Discussions as the topic does not fit the Suggest New Bands guidelines, which should include music samples, a bio, links. and in a case such as this, then a strong case for inclusion: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=122381" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=122381 It has been discussed many times. I'm not very familiar with Dire Straits, other than "Telegraph Road" (which is Proggy) and some other stuff which I wouldn't say is) but it didn't readily remind me of Alan Parsons Project or Wishbone Ash, and the best comparisons to make are to ones included in Prog categories that sound most similar and/or share personnel. If you're just going for a really general "this is as Prog as that", then that doesn't make a good case. One thing too is that PA is not very consistent due to all of thee changes that have happened here over the years. By the way, getting into Prog Related can take a lot of effort, and comes with its own expectations. Helps to look at the Prog Related page and see how many of those criteria an act ticks off, and then a Special Collaborator is expected to support it and bring it to the admin team. Here are some of the past topics on this: Topic: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=123354&KW=Dire+Straits" rel="nofollow - Do - Dire - Straits Count as Prog? (this topic is still open) http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82132&KW=Dire+Straits" rel="nofollow - is - Dire - Straits prog-related? http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=76988&KW=Dire+Straits" rel="nofollow - - - Dire - Straits: Prog-Related? YES. http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=40503&KW=Dire+Straits" rel="nofollow - - The - - |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: November 25 2020 at 14:46
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I don't find DS to be prog in the least but the Love Over Gold albun is superb. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Earl of Mar
Date Posted: November 25 2020 at 14:56
| I like DS but prog? When I saw them in New Cross in the late seventies they were a good competent band with what I thought at the height of the new wave was a retro sound. Sorry,not prof for me, I have Love over Gold though and a fine album it is. |
Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: November 25 2020 at 15:04
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Love their Making Movies album and especially Love Over Gold - think it is much better than many prog albums, but I have never considered Dire Straits being prog. It's not because they made a 14 minute song that it becomes prog... Actually, I've never considered Alan Parsons to be prog either, but they too have made magnificent albums. ------------- The razamataz is a pain in the bum |
Posted By: black_diamond
Date Posted: November 25 2020 at 17:45
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In my opinion should be Prog Related. "Private Investigator" is somewhat proggy |
Posted By: distant quanta Dave
Date Posted: November 25 2020 at 19:12
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1980's 'Makin' Movies' LP featured a little tune, 'Skateaway' I have never been able to define. 'Evening paper in/Horror torn/But there's hope for later/Capricorn/Stars give her just enough/To get her home' and 'Then she reads about a swing to the right/But she's thinkin' 'bout a stranger/In the night' makes for a tuneful snack, until you get to the three-minute, instrumental conclusion. To call it a hook does lasers an injustice. I loved it and still do. And this guy does this-- makes a song so highly addictive you can't wait to hear it again-- throughout his career, culminating in a biographical record, 'Shangri La' in 2004, with 'Song for Sonny Liston', 'Boom, Like That', 'Back to Tupelo', 'Stand-Up Guy', and 'Don't Crash the Ambulance' via a near-fatal motorcycle accident: The big enchilada Stealing elections Had to go down there Trash collection Brother Knopfler started out as a journalist. Thus lyrics are the backbone of his most effective songs. We could think of his process as 'spellbinding', first the lyrics, then the cook. Many do wander off progfaced, and no one can remember where they were when they heard them. I like this quote from nowhere: 'A leading exponent of the moody rock lament...'
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Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: November 25 2020 at 20:02
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If DS is prog, then Chet Atkins is prog-related. ------------- I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there..... |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: November 25 2020 at 21:33
Epic use of sarcasm font. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
asbestosLovesProg wrote:Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: November 26 2020 at 00:36
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Remotely prog related at one or two, maybe three occasions, that's it. Love over Gold is a masterpiece and has some proggish elements as well.
Not fit for inclusion in PA, methinks.
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Posted By: Matti
Date Posted: November 26 2020 at 00:56
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DS was my first favourite band when I was 12 years, just before finding prog. I still love especially the album Love Over Gold: 'Telegraph Road' expanded my musical horizon as a long rock composition. And I agree there are other DS songs with a slight (VERY slight) progness. But in general they are NOT a prog band AT ALL. So, it's a firm no, I don't wish or expect to see DS in the ProgArchives database. There are lots of pop/rock bands and artists with occasional prog-related flavour, it would be pointless to accept artists on such marginal, occasional progness. Jane Siberry is another good example (I've suggested her myself many years ago, and respected the rejection). |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: November 26 2020 at 01:21
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DS in terms of prgginess: MM: 4/10 LOG: 6/10 BIA (side A: 0/10, side B 6/10), so 3/10 The rest (three other studio albums): 0/10 not enough to warrant an inclusion BTW, I like DS a fair amount, but only kept LOG (no knofler solo album either) |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 26 2020 at 02:53
I love Dire Straits, although I wouldn't want to be in dire straits.   The same goes for Fleetwood Mac too.
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Posted By: triptych
Date Posted: November 26 2020 at 03:00
I second that :)
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: November 26 2020 at 05:00
| Wishbone Ash have at least made some out and out prog albums. |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 26 2020 at 05:11
I believe Argos is the proggiest Wishbone Ash album. Most of WA's albums are Hard Rock, apart from their two techno dance albums, obviously  |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: November 26 2020 at 06:13
It was a great catalogue as well, the laminated book of dreams.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 26 2020 at 06:22
The Time Was when you could order anything from Argos in a Sometime World with the leaves Blowin' Free.
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: November 27 2020 at 07:49
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: November 27 2020 at 08:58
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Short answer: NOOOOOOOO! Have you heard Alan Parson Project's debut album TALES OF MYSTERY AND IMAGINATION? That's a prog masterpiece and unlike the silly pop fluff that followed (for the most part). Wishbone Ash was one of those early hard rock bands that had prog characteristics like Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and others. Dire Straits has no connection to the prog world and doesn't have any remotely prog attributes and i own all their albums so quite familiar with them. Prog related here makes no sense until you investigate further so don't make simple conclusions based on an album or two you may have heard from an artist. -------------  https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: twseel
Date Posted: November 27 2020 at 10:04
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: November 27 2020 at 10:30
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Posted By: asbestosLovesProg
Date Posted: November 29 2020 at 19:38
That's actually a fair point now that I think about it. Tales of Mystery and Imagination is really nothing like any dire straits album, but I was thinking more about Ammonia Avenue or Eye In The Sky. ヅ
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Posted By: DiamondsandPearls
Date Posted: November 30 2020 at 14:44
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Dont really know. But money for nothing and your charges for free hehehe
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: November 30 2020 at 14:58
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Posted By: Umeda
Date Posted: November 30 2020 at 17:38
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Love Over Gold is an excellent album (Telegraph Road is a masterpiece), and in my opinion it would fit as a crossover album. Other than it, I can't think of anything else except for Brothers In Arms' title track as at least, prog-related. So, perhaps it isn't enough. Still, I like Dire Straits. ------------- Not for rent. To any God or government. |
Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: December 15 2020 at 11:47
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I'm a Dire Straits fan. Really I am. Here's a brief summary of the band's career: The first two albums can best be described as "Ry Cooder meets Bob Dylan". The third album, Making Movies, adds a Springsteen influence (thanks, Roy Bittan and Jimmy Iovine). The fourth album, Love over Gold, is a masterpiece, but the Dylan influence is still prevalent (especially on "Industrial Disease"). Alan Clarke's magnificent keyboard work gives the album a "prog-lite" flavor. For the last two albums, Knopfler's greatest influence was suddenly Randy Newman. This has continued on into his solo career, where he's become a caustic, yet jaded social-commentator. Do any of the names above (Cooder, Dylan, Springsteen, Newman) make you think of prog?
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