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    Posted: October 10 2020 at 00:53
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Forgotten Son Forgotten Son wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

What about a big six prog bands where English is not their first language?

Coheed and Cambria


Is this some kind of deprecating joke? Sanchez's lyrics are a little strange in style and delivery I'll grant you, but he was born and raised in New York.
I wondered the same thing. It might be Richard's little joke.

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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:


I also thought CAN would have been higher, I don't think people appreciate CAN for what they did...I would swap CAN and VdGG. Just my 2 centavos....

Although I love VdGG as well, I'm always delighted when you write about Can; they seem quite far from what you usually listen to, as is much of my taste, but both of us can see the genius there.  Clap

Yes we CAN!!
My friend...you would be shocked at my record collection Shocked. As I have mentioned many times my musical journey started with R&B/Funk as a kid, that music led me to progressive rock.
CAN took me years to understand, it's not that I did not like the music, for sure its out there, but I knew there was something more to get. And I am glad that I did not try and force the issue, I let it flow brother...thru my speakers and its awesome! What did it for me was when I started to listen to them in the same manner as I listen to George Clinton...it was an aha moment!
I have 9 of their albums and still need Babaluma and Landed, I only do vinyl so I just need to order them.Thumbs Up

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My personal 60¨s / 70´s 

Gentle Giant
King Crimson
CAN
PFM
Le Orme
Plastic People Of The Universe

but is a short list anyway... 

nothing to do with this Thread or genre  but the Album that i call perfection in Absolute is 

Marvin Gaye - What´s Going On
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

There has just been a big 6 discussion a little while ago
True. And this one before that - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=123946&PN=1
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:


I also thought CAN would have been higher, I don't think people appreciate CAN for what they did...I would swap CAN and VdGG. Just my 2 centavos....

Although I love VdGG as well, I'm always delighted when you write about Can; they seem quite far from what you usually listen to, as is much of my taste, but both of us can see the genius there.  Clap

Yes we CAN!!
My friend...you would be shocked at my record collection Shocked. As I have mentioned many times my musical journey started with R&B/Funk as a kid, that music led me to progressive rock.
CAN took me years to understand, it's not that I did not like the music, for sure its out there, but I knew there was something more to get. And I am glad that I did not try and force the issue, I let it flow brother...thru my speakers and its awesome! What did it for me was when I started to listen to them in the same manner as I listen to George Clinton...it was an aha moment!
I have 9 of their albums and still need Babaluma and Landed, I only do vinyl so I just need to order them.Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Forgotten Son Forgotten Son wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

What about a big six prog bands where English is not their first language?

Coheed and Cambria


Is this some kind of deprecating joke? Sanchez's lyrics are a little strange in style and delivery I'll grant you, but he was born and raised in New York.
I wondered the same thing. It might be Richard's little joke.

Could be. I'm not sure why anyone would want Coheed and Cambria on any big six list though. They must be one of the worst modern bands I've heard.
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Originally posted by Forgotten Son Forgotten Son wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

What about a big six prog bands where English is not their first language?

Coheed and Cambria


Is this some kind of deprecating joke? Sanchez's lyrics are a little strange in style and delivery I'll grant you, but he was born and raised in New York.
I wondered the same thing. It might be Richard's little joke.
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Never really liked the "Thrash Metal Big 4" term, I think one band was clearly less interesting and THRASH than other ones... but it's not about my opinion, it's about sales.

Which is useless in itself. Pink Floyd probably owns next 4, 6, 8 or even 10 prog bands combined - save for 80s Genesis which was a huge commercial act itself.

Quality wise, everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion. For me, Big Six in Prog would be KC, Genesis, Yes, VDGG, PF and Jethro. Pink Floyd being maybe the least listened to, so I could see Gentle Giant or Rush overtaking it.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

What about a big six prog bands where English is not their first language?

Coheed and Cambria


Is this some kind of deprecating joke? Sanchez's lyrics are a little strange in style and delivery I'll grant you, but he was born and raised in New York.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:


I also thought CAN would have been higher, I don't think people appreciate CAN for what they did...I would swap CAN and VdGG. Just my 2 centavos....

Although I love VdGG as well, I'm always delighted when you write about Can; they seem quite far from what you usually listen to, as is much of my taste, but both of us can see the genius there.  Clap
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^ Sorry, it's Cristi without an "h", and he's male. Smile
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ Christi will be pleased that Marillion are #11 in the poll, putting them in the "second tier" of prog. Smile
 
My only disappointment was that my favourite band Renaissance didn't quite make it into the Top 10. Stern Smile
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^ Christi will be pleased that Marillion are #11 in the poll, putting them in the "second tier" of prog. Smile
 
My only disappointment was that my favourite band Renaissance didn't quite make it into the Top 10. Stern Smile
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

These prog bands were voted the all-time Top 20 in a recent PA poll:-
 
1. Genesis (508 points)
2. Yes (436 points)
3. King Crimson (432 points)
4. Pink Floyd (428 points)
5. Rush (243 points)
6. Emerson, Lake & Palmer (165 points)
7. Jethro Tull (136 points)
8. Van der Graaf Generator (123 points)
9. Gentle Giant (91 points)
10. IQ (90 points)
 
11. Marillion (80 points)
12. Soft Machine (78 points)
13. Porcupine Tree (75 points)
14. Renaissance (67 points)
15. Can (66 points) 
16. Cardiacs (60 points)
17. Camel (59 points)
18. Magma (57 points)
19. Spock's Beard (55 points)
20. Henry Cow (46 points)
 
Personally, I would place Jethro Tull in the Big Six in place of Rush, but that's just my biased British opinion. Wink

I was thinking of this poll when reading this thread....Although the topic of the Big "#" of prog bands has been discussed ad nauseam here. I would not change results of any poll, it is what it is but we all have our preferences. What struck me is IQ and Marillion at 10 and 11, strange since there is such a disdain for neo-prog in general. I like Marillion wayyy more than IQ, there would be a spread on my list between the two.

I also thought CAN would have been higher, I don't think people appreciate CAN for what they did...I would swap CAN and VdGG. Just my 2 centavos....
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These prog bands were voted the all-time Top 20 in a recent PA poll:-
 
1. Genesis (508 points)
2. Yes (436 points)
3. King Crimson (432 points)
4. Pink Floyd (428 points)
5. Rush (243 points)
6. Emerson, Lake & Palmer (165 points)
7. Jethro Tull (136 points)
8. Van der Graaf Generator (123 points)
9. Gentle Giant (91 points)
10. IQ (90 points)
 
11. Marillion (80 points)
12. Soft Machine (78 points)
13. Porcupine Tree (75 points)
14. Renaissance (67 points)
15. Can (66 points) 
16. Cardiacs (60 points)
17. Camel (59 points)
18. Magma (57 points)
19. Spock's Beard (55 points)
20. Henry Cow (46 points)
 
Personally, I would place Jethro Tull in the Big Six in place of Rush, but that's just my biased British opinion. Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2020 at 02:26
How much does it matter? We can like and not like whatever we want anyway.
Note that I'm not being negative about this thread, I'm honestly curious why people care that much.
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Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

My understanding is that they are considered the big six not because they’re the best, but the most successful in record sales and in making the people aware of the genre. 

My thoughts as well.

GG is top tier prog rock for me regardless of popular opinion.

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My understanding is that they are considered the big six not because they’re the best, but the most successful in record sales and in making the people aware of the genre. 
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This kind of topic has been done many times before, but I can merge this with the last topic (a very time-consuming process when it comes to long threads as I need to do it one post at a time) if the OP is okay with that. That said, it might get a little confusing. If you are specifically trying to make the case that in a just world Gentle Giant would be considered part of the big six (despite it's lack of popularity/ knownness/ success during the classic era), then that becomes its own subject.

To me the justice angle is of little interest. The big six are the big six because they were more commercially successful and had more recognition. I like Art Zoyd much more than Yes, but I don't think it unfair that Art Zoyd never had the same level of recognition. That said, Art Zoyd is still in my Prog Archives big six. Popularity does not equal quality.

And if GG were there in the big six, then I think that VdGG also should be in it.

Edited by Logan - October 06 2020 at 16:26
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Originally posted by Woon Deadn Woon Deadn wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

There has just been a big 6 discussion a little while ago, I thought that was done for a while. Sorry for the naive thought, these kind of topics will never end... Silly me... 
 

Excuse meConfused. I had to check that before creating a new thread. If you think it would be better to remove this one, no problem. 

This is probably the first time I'm in such a trouble. What do you offer? Let's remove my thread then! 

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I've said my gripe with the whole big 6, you won't see me post in this thread no more. 
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