Prog Rock's Big <N>'s
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Topic: Prog Rock's Big <N>'s
Posted By: Woon Deadn
Subject: Prog Rock's Big <N>'s
Date Posted: October 06 2020 at 14:10
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Recently listened to the video comparing American Big 4 vs German Big 4 [thrash metal bands]. Is there a consensus as to how it all's going on in classic prog? Prog Rock's Big 6 is KC, Yes, Genesis, ELP, Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd - am I right? As the admirer of GG (and, for the most part, the unlover of KC, Yes, ELP and PF), I find it unjust, of course. ------------- Favourite Band: Gentle Giant Favourite Writer: Robert Sheckley Favourite Horror Writer: Jean Ray Favourite Computer Game: Tiny Toon - Buster's Hidden Treasure (Sega Mega Drive/Genesis) |
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 06 2020 at 14:25
Yes, that seems to be the general consensus of opinion on Prog-Rock's Big Six, according to a recent poll.
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Woon Deadn wrote:Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: October 06 2020 at 14:27
can you explain the point of this thread?
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Posted By: Woon Deadn
Date Posted: October 06 2020 at 14:31
Trying to find justice in the unjust world, I suppose  Perhaps, different people may add their candidates and form their own Big's. In thrash metal it was fairly obvious - but thrash is a very restricted style of music. Anyway. ------------- Favourite Band: Gentle Giant Favourite Writer: Robert Sheckley Favourite Horror Writer: Jean Ray Favourite Computer Game: Tiny Toon - Buster's Hidden Treasure (Sega Mega Drive/Genesis) |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 06 2020 at 15:21
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What about a big six prog bands where English is not their first language? A personal choice would be Eloy PFM Le Orme Lazuli Focus Coheed and Cambria |
Posted By: Woon Deadn
Date Posted: October 06 2020 at 15:39
Sounds and looks promising! ------------- Favourite Band: Gentle Giant Favourite Writer: Robert Sheckley Favourite Horror Writer: Jean Ray Favourite Computer Game: Tiny Toon - Buster's Hidden Treasure (Sega Mega Drive/Genesis) |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: October 06 2020 at 15:42
| There has just been a big 6 discussion a little while ago, I thought that was done for a while. Sorry for the naive thought, these kind of topics will never end... Silly me... |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: October 06 2020 at 15:45
| https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=123983" rel="nofollow - https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=123983 |
Posted By: Woon Deadn
Date Posted: October 06 2020 at 15:59
Excuse me  . I had to check that before creating a new thread. If you think it would be better to remove this one, no problem. This is probably the first time I'm in such a trouble. What do you propose? Let's remove my thread then!
------------- Favourite Band: Gentle Giant Favourite Writer: Robert Sheckley Favourite Horror Writer: Jean Ray Favourite Computer Game: Tiny Toon - Buster's Hidden Treasure (Sega Mega Drive/Genesis) |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: October 06 2020 at 16:02
ignore me... you are not in trouble. I've said my gripe with the whole big 6, you won't see me post in this thread no more.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 06 2020 at 16:05
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This kind of topic has been done many times before, but I can merge this with the last topic (a very time-consuming process when it comes to long threads as I need to do it one post at a time) if the OP is okay with that. That said, it might get a little confusing. If you are specifically trying to make the case that in a just world Gentle Giant would be considered part of the big six (despite it's lack of popularity/ knownness/ success during the classic era), then that becomes its own subject. To me the justice angle is of little interest. The big six are the big six because they were more commercially successful and had more recognition. I like Art Zoyd much more than Yes, but I don't think it unfair that Art Zoyd never had the same level of recognition. That said, Art Zoyd is still in my Prog Archives big six. Popularity does not equal quality. And if GG were there in the big six, then I think that VdGG also should be in it. |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: October 06 2020 at 17:51
| My understanding is that they are considered the big six not because they’re the best, but the most successful in record sales and in making the people aware of the genre. |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: October 07 2020 at 02:13
My thoughts as well. GG is top tier prog rock for me regardless of popular opinion. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: October 07 2020 at 02:26
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How much does it matter? We can like and not like whatever we want anyway. Note that I'm not being negative about this thread, I'm honestly curious why people care that much.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 07 2020 at 02:51
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These prog bands were voted the all-time Top 20 in a recent PA poll:- 1. Genesis (508 points) 2. Yes (436 points) 3. King Crimson (432 points) 4. Pink Floyd (428 points) 5. Rush (243 points) 6. Emerson, Lake & Palmer (165 points) 7. Jethro Tull (136 points) 8. Van der Graaf Generator (123 points) 9. Gentle Giant (91 points) 10. IQ (90 points) 11. Marillion (80 points) 12. Soft Machine (78 points) 13. Porcupine Tree (75 points) 14. Renaissance (67 points) 15. Can (66 points) 16. Cardiacs (60 points) 17. Camel (59 points) 18. Magma (57 points) 19. Spock's Beard (55 points) 20. Henry Cow (46 points) Personally, I would place Jethro Tull in the Big Six in place of Rush, but that's just my biased British opinion.  |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: October 07 2020 at 09:44
I was thinking of this poll when reading this thread....Although the topic of the Big "#" of prog bands has been discussed ad nauseam here. I would not change results of any poll, it is what it is but we all have our preferences. What struck me is IQ and Marillion at 10 and 11, strange since there is such a disdain for neo-prog in general. I like Marillion wayyy more than IQ, there would be a spread on my list between the two. I also thought CAN would have been higher, I don't think people appreciate CAN for what they did...I would swap CAN and VdGG. Just my 2 centavos.... -------------   
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 07 2020 at 09:56
^ Christi will be pleased that Marillion are #11 in the poll, putting them in the "second tier" of prog.  My only disappointment was that my favourite band Renaissance didn't quite make it into the Top 10.
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: October 07 2020 at 10:12
Christi?? We have a girl in the forums!!! Where!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  -------------
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 07 2020 at 10:19
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^ Sorry, it's Cristi without an "h", and he's male.
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: October 08 2020 at 14:46
Although I love VdGG as well, I'm always delighted when you write about Can; they seem quite far from what you usually listen to, as is much of my taste, but both of us can see the genius there.
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Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: October 09 2020 at 07:09
Is this some kind of deprecating joke? Sanchez's lyrics are a little strange in style and delivery I'll grant you, but he was born and raised in New York.
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Posted By: thief
Date Posted: October 09 2020 at 07:21
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Never really liked the "Thrash Metal Big 4" term, I think one band was clearly less interesting and THRASH than other ones... but it's not about my opinion, it's about sales. Which is useless in itself. Pink Floyd probably owns next 4, 6, 8 or even 10 prog bands combined - save for 80s Genesis which was a huge commercial act itself. Quality wise, everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion. For me, Big Six in Prog would be KC, Genesis, Yes, VDGG, PF and Jethro. Pink Floyd being maybe the least listened to, so I could see Gentle Giant or Rush overtaking it. ------------- TOP20 Songs https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=124211" rel="nofollow - Genesis https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=125999" rel="nofollow - Rush |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: October 09 2020 at 07:39
I wondered the same thing. It might be Richard's little joke.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: October 09 2020 at 07:57
Could be. I'm not sure why anyone would want Coheed and Cambria on any big six list though. They must be one of the worst modern bands I've heard.
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: October 09 2020 at 08:49
Yes we CAN!! My friend...you would be shocked at my record collection  . As I have mentioned many times my musical journey started with R&B/Funk as a kid, that music led me to progressive rock.CAN took me years to understand, it's not that I did not like the music, for sure its out there, but I knew there was something more to get. And I am glad that I did not try and force the issue, I let it flow brother...thru my speakers and its awesome! What did it for me was when I started to listen to them in the same manner as I listen to George Clinton...it was an aha moment! I have 9 of their albums and still need Babaluma and Landed, I only do vinyl so I just need to order them. -------------
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Posted By: FatherChristmas
Date Posted: October 09 2020 at 10:39
True. And this one before that - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=123946&PN=1 ------------- "Music is the wine that fills the cup of silence" - Robert Fripp "I am an anti-Christ" - Johnny Rotten |
Posted By: Paulo V
Date Posted: October 09 2020 at 11:21
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My personal 60¨s / 70´s Gentle Giant King Crimson CAN PFM Le Orme Plastic People Of The Universe but is a short list anyway... nothing to do with this Thread or genre but the Album that i call perfection in Absolute is Marvin Gaye - What´s Going On ------------- Always taking the point with the dawn patrol fraternity... |
Posted By: Paulo V
Date Posted: October 09 2020 at 11:24
Well for Me TAGO MAGO FUTURE DAYS AND EGE BAMYASI the perfect trio but hey I´m Not Damo Suzuki ------------- Always taking the point with the dawn patrol fraternity... |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 10 2020 at 00:53
no just ignorance on my part
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