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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Online Points: 37420 |
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It seems Trump topics are as difficult to contain as his hair can be.
![]() While I thought this could focus as a general political book recommendations thread and discussion but it's back to Trump, I'm closing this. People have raised concerns about multiple Trump topics, and it is better generally to try to keep similar discussions under one roof at a time -- the American Politics topic could have worked for that, but I can understand having a dedicated Trump topic. We have this topic to discuss books: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9132 |
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Online Points: 43643 |
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When Ann Coulter appeared on Bill Maher's show and predicted a Trump victory way back in June 2015, the liberal Trump-haters on the panel and in the audience laughed at her... They're not laughing now.
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MortSahlFan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: March 01 2018 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 3075 |
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I can't imagine anyone being worse than George W. Bush It's too bad that EVERY single President in my lifetime has been awful. All war criminals, but we prioritize sending innocent people to prison.
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https://www.youtube.com/c/LoyalOpposition
https://www.scribd.com/document/382737647/MortSahlFan-Song-List |
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Online Points: 43643 |
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ProgAardvark Wrote:- Fear: Trump in the White House / Bob Woodward: I look forward to reading that book. I've read several of Bob Woodward's books already.
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65676 |
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I'm currently loving this old 'un by Carl Olgelsby, The Yankee and Cowboy War , a very important look at the corrupt politics of 1960s US deep politics - - ![]() |
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Online Points: 43643 |
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Thanks for the suggested name change for my blog which is now titled "Books on Politics"
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Online Points: 37420 |
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If the focus is on political books, perhaps you could change the title to a more general one so this doesn't just become yet another Trump focused topic. We don't really need more than one that is Trump-specific (politics is so divisive, especially these days, an multiple such topics will be off-putting to some. There are politics forums that are better suited to such discussion. Here's a forum I posted at for a while, while not politics specific, there are some interesting topics there (you might get some interesting and diverse takes on Trump in this forum): https://forum.samharris.org/forum/viewforum/7055/ In my early online days I was all about political forums, and had some really good debates, but my mind is not as sharp now (it helps to be really aware of logical fallacies, and formal arguing generally. Used to keep my old school textbook, Attacking Faulty Reasoning, by my side, but such pedantic antics that I would engage in now seems very immature, and would rather have more informal conversations. Really, I'm probably even more immature, and most certainly stupider, than I was then. As for political books, well I have tended to be interested in that are more political philosophy based, and while I did read various textbooks in political science classes, those would be out of date. I'm mostly interested in ideas/ ideology/ "theory"... That said, these classics are worth reading as an introduction to some classic political thought (all ones I did early on in university). I feel strongly that the classics make for a good foundation towards a better understanding of modern political thought/ ideology. The Prince by Niccolò Machiavelli The Republic by Plato The Leviathon by Hobbes The Social Contract by Rousseau Politics by Aristotle On Liberty by John Stuart Mill Das Kapital by Karl Marx I liked Capitalism, Socialism and Democracy by Joseph Schumpeter. I love George Orwell, so for me Orwell and Politics was worth reading. In terms of modern ones, I did find How Democracy Ends by David Runciman interesting, but it lacked as much depth as I would have liked (it seems too short for the amount that it covers), but I haven't read many books focused particularly on politics since studying at university. One I'd like to pick up is Comparative Politics: Integrating Theories, Methods, and Cases. Edited by Logan - October 02 2019 at 12:13 |
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progaardvark ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover/Symphonic/RPI Teams Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Sea of Peas Status: Offline Points: 52774 |
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The Mueller Report: https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf
Fear: Trump in the White House / Bob Woodward: |
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i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
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BaldJean ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
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as to "In Trump We Trust": I'd like to quote Psalm 146:3-4: "Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish". it is not that I am Christian. but there are often wise words in the bible. I wouldn't trust any politician, and especially not a notorious liar like Trump Edited by BaldJean - October 02 2019 at 06:55 |
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Online Points: 43643 |
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At the beginning of my blog I asked if Prog Archives members have any political books they can recommend but I haven't heard one single recommendation so far.
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20671 |
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^It was an anomaly...there have been only 5 Presidents elected by the college who actually lost the popular vote. BTW..the last 2 were Republicans...Bush and Trump.
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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Argo2112 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 20 2017 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 4462 |
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It seems to me the Trump election was an anomaly. Hilary's campaign fell apart, the Republican field was over saturated with candidates & somehow the loudest most obnoxious voice was able to rise o the top. Everything just seemed to line up for him like some harmonic convergence of sh*t.(Yes reference to keep the post proggy!) I would like to believe we are smarter now & this could never happen again but I guess we will see next year.
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progaardvark ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover/Symphonic/RPI Teams Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Sea of Peas Status: Offline Points: 52774 |
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^Well, we're forced to talk about him because he's involved in a new scandal almost every day. We'll stop talking about him after he's locked up.
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i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
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Frenetic Zetetic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 09 2017 Location: Now Status: Offline Points: 9233 |
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...And yet all everyone talks about is Trump. The left can't do anything except complain, lose at their own game, then project their own shortcomings onto others. All the left has are ad hominem and straw man fallacies against Trump which aren't valid points, claims, or "facts" at all. The left has nothing.
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"I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
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BaldJean ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
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it is the sad truth that the majority of people have the tendency to fall for the biggest loudmouth, be his name Trump, Johnson or Hitler. not that I want to compare their political goals or methods; I just refer to the fact that they all are or were loudmouths
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![]() A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20436 |
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Online Points: 43643 |
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It's the nature of politics, both here in England and in America, that prime ministers and presidents are going to be loved and loathed in equal measure, whichever party they represent. After all, Donald Trump was as a registered Democrat between 2001 and 2009 and he even donated $100,000 to The Clinton Foundation, and unbelievable as it seems now, Trump supported Hillary Clinton's bid for the presidency in 2008!
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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I was about to mockingly say "You guys are in a such a mess over there"
Then I remembered, where I live, who our PM is and the dark precipice over which we're about to fall. |
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20671 |
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Heh...Trump wouldn't be so bad if he wasn't such an obnoxious loudmouthed bigoted fill in the blank------------....but plenty of those in the US who elected him.
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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Easy Money ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10680 |
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Yeah, she has been pretty outspoken in her disappointment for some time now, they have an ongoing war of words with each other at this point. Just more Hollywood drama.
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Help the victims of the russian invasion:
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28523&PID=130446&title=various-ways-you-can-help-ukraine#130446 |
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