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Topic: Books on PoliticsPosted By: Psychedelic Paul
Subject: Books on Politics
Date Posted: September 20 2019 at 22:31
I just read a fascinating book by conservative commentator and author Ann Coulter, titled "In Trump We Trust". It was so good I read it twice! This is what it said about the book on Amazon:-
"If there s one thing most people in America - and, indeed, the world - can agree on, it's that Donald Trump isn't a politician. The President, however, he most certainly is. And whether you're happy about that fact or not, there's no denying that the three biggest news stories of the 2016 US election have been Trump, Trump and Trump."
"The media have twisted themselves in knots trying to grasp how he took control of the Republican Party, how he won over millions of voters, and - most of all - what he'll be like as President."
"But bestselling author and political commentator Ann Coulter isn't puzzled. She knows why Trump was the only one of seventeen Republican contenders who was able to capture the spirit of our time. She gets the power of addressing the silent majority and saying things the PC Thought Police considers unspeakable."
"And with her unique insight, candour and sense of humour, she makes the definitive case for why we should all join his revolution - and why a bull in the china shop is exactly what America needs to make it great again."
"If you're already a Trump fan, Ann Coulter will help you defend and promote your position. If you re not, she might just change your mind."
Do any of our Prog Archive members have any other political books they can recommend?
Replies: Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: September 21 2019 at 00:37
^ I like the Fanny Farmer Cookbook.
Ann strikes me as a closet intellectual, a penultimate contrarian with some hidden anger from childhood... and rather brilliant.
------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: September 21 2019 at 05:13
Its pretty well known that Anne doesn't like him anymore. Here is just one of many articles on the subject: https://www.newsweek.com/ann-coulter-trump-wall-immigration-tweet-feud-1444596" rel="nofollow - https://www.newsweek.com/ann-coulter-trump-wall-immigration-tweet-feud-1444596
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 21 2019 at 05:46
I never knew Ann Coulter had turned against Trump so vociferously until I read that article. Maybe her next book will be titled "Don't Trust Trump"
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: September 21 2019 at 05:49
Yeah, she has been pretty outspoken in her disappointment for some time now, they have an ongoing war of words with each other at this point. Just more Hollywood drama.
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: September 21 2019 at 12:03
Heh...Trump wouldn't be so bad if he wasn't such an obnoxious loudmouthed bigoted fill in the blank------------....but plenty of those in the US who elected him.
;)
------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: September 23 2019 at 05:10
I was about to mockingly say "You guys are in a such a mess over there"
Then I remembered, where I live, who our PM is and the dark precipice over which we're about to fall.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 23 2019 at 06:09
It's the nature of politics, both here in England and in America, that prime ministers and presidents are going to be loved and loathed in equal measure, whichever party they represent. After all, Donald Trump was as a registered Democrat between 2001 and 2009 and he even donated $100,000 to The Clinton Foundation, and unbelievable as it seems now, Trump supported Hillary Clinton's bid for the presidency in 2008!
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: September 23 2019 at 06:37
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: September 23 2019 at 09:19
it is the sad truth that the majority of people have the tendency to fall for the biggest loudmouth, be his name Trump, Johnson or Hitler. not that I want to compare their political goals or methods; I just refer to the fact that they all are or were loudmouths
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: September 26 2019 at 03:22
...And yet all everyone talks about is Trump. The left can't do anything except complain, lose at their own game, then project their own shortcomings onto others. All the left has are ad hominem and straw man fallacies against Trump which aren't valid points, claims, or "facts" at all. The left has nothing.
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"I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: September 26 2019 at 05:57
^Well, we're forced to talk about him because he's involved in a new scandal almost every day. We'll stop talking about him after he's locked up.
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Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: September 26 2019 at 11:10
It seems to me the Trump election was an anomaly. Hilary's campaign fell apart, the Republican field was over saturated with candidates & somehow the loudest most obnoxious voice was able to rise o the top. Everything just seemed to line up for him like some harmonic convergence of sh*t.(Yes reference to keep the post proggy!) I would like to believe we are smarter now & this could never happen again but I guess we will see next year.
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: September 26 2019 at 12:49
^It was an anomaly...there have been only 5 Presidents elected by the college who actually lost the popular vote. BTW..the last 2 were Republicans...Bush and Trump.
------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 02 2019 at 06:38
At the beginning of my blog I asked if Prog Archives members have any political books they can recommend but I haven't heard one single recommendation so far.
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: October 02 2019 at 06:53
as to "In Trump We Trust": I'd like to quote Psalm 146:3-4: "Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish".
it is not that I am Christian. but there are often wise words in the bible. I wouldn't trust any politician, and especially not a notorious liar like Trump
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: October 02 2019 at 10:41
The Mueller Report: https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 02 2019 at 11:24
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
At the beginning of my blog I asked if Prog Archives members have any political books they can recommend but I haven't heard one single recommendation so far.
If the focus is on political books, perhaps you could change the title to a more general one so this doesn't just become yet another Trump focused topic. We don't really need more than one that is Trump-specific (politics is so divisive, especially these days, an multiple such topics will be off-putting to some. There are politics forums that are better suited to such discussion. Here's a forum I posted at for a while, while not politics specific, there are some interesting topics there (you might get some interesting and diverse takes on Trump in this forum): https://forum.samharris.org/forum/viewforum/7055/" rel="nofollow - https://forum.samharris.org/forum/viewforum/7055/
In my early online days I was all about political forums, and had some really good debates, but my mind is not as sharp now (it helps to be really aware of logical fallacies, and formal arguing generally. Used to keep my old school textbook, Attacking Faulty Reasoning, by my side, but such pedantic antics that I would engage in now seems very immature, and would rather have more informal conversations. Really, I'm probably even more immature, and most certainly stupider, than I was then.
As for political books, well I have tended to be interested in that are more political philosophy based, and while I did read various textbooks in political science classes, those would be out of date. I'm mostly interested in ideas/ ideology/ "theory"...
That said, these classics are worth reading as an introduction to some classic political thought (all ones I did early on in university). I feel strongly that the classics make for a good foundation towards a better understanding of modern political thought/ ideology.
The Prince by Niccolò Machiavelli The Republic by Plato The Leviathon by Hobbes The Social Contract by Rousseau Politics by Aristotle On Liberty by John Stuart Mill Das Kapital by Karl Marx
I liked Capitalism, Socialism and Democracy by Joseph Schumpeter.
I love George Orwell, so for me Orwell and Politics was worth reading.
In terms of modern ones, I did find How Democracy Ends by David Runciman interesting, but it lacked as much depth as I would have liked (it seems too short for the amount that it covers), but I haven't read many books focused particularly on politics since studying at university.
One I'd like to pick up is Comparative Politics: Integrating Theories, Methods, and Cases.
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 02 2019 at 14:18
Thanks for the suggested name change for my blog which is now titled "Books on Politics"
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 02 2019 at 15:27
I'm currently loving this old 'un by Carl Olgelsby, The Yankee and Cowboy War ,a very important look at the corrupt politics of 1960s US deep politics - -
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 02 2019 at 15:49
ProgAardvark Wrote:- Fear: Trump in the White House / Bob Woodward:
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 07 2019 at 09:45
When Ann Coulter appeared on Bill Maher's show and predicted a Trump victory way back in June 2015, the liberal Trump-haters on the panel and in the audience laughed at her... They're not laughing now.
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 07 2019 at 10:43
It seems Trump topics are as difficult to contain as his hair can be.
While I thought this could focus as a general political book recommendations thread and discussion but it's back to Trump, I'm closing this. People have raised concerns about multiple Trump topics, and it is better generally to try to keep similar discussions under one roof at a time -- the American Politics topic could have worked for that, but I can understand having a dedicated Trump topic. We have this topic to discuss books: