Judas Priest

I have to agree with Saperlipopette! on this one.  Rocka Rolla, Sad Wings of Destiny and Sin After Sin all have progressive rock tendencies sprinkled without.  I also believe that latter period albums such as Painkiller and Nostradamus have prog metal elements within, and arguably Nostradamus could be considered a prog metal album.  Overall, Judas Priest are a heavy metal band and one of the poster children for the NWOBM movement. While I do not consider them a prog rock/metal band overall, by PA's definition of having released at least ONE prog album, I honestly believe that they could be listed here as a prog metal band because of Painkiller or Nostradamus, hence the logic of including them as a prog related band. 

Fine. It's not like a give a shіt about whether you, a fuсking internet nobody with a huge ego, say that I'm wrong with no clear argument to back up your claim. ;)

For me it's the same as if you wrote that there aren't any surreal elements in Gabriel-era Genesis-lyricism.

But this however, is a logical fallacy. Surreal elements in lyrics can be clearly defined, while prog rock elements in Judas Priest's music can't, cause they're more vague. You're comparing apples to oranges here, come on.

Edited by Hrychu - March 10 2024 at 08:14

The sole activity of assigning a band to a certain stylistic template or any musical genre is preconception-based by definition. If I were to listen to Judas without my preconceptions I wouldn't be able to tell if it's prog related or not, or even if it's metal or non-metal.

The thing about progressive rock is that its features can't be scientifically isolated and defined with clockwork precision. So it's completely normal that Judas' relation to prog will vary from person to person, depending whose opinion you're listening to.

Edited by Hrychu - March 10 2024 at 00:45

Saperlipopette! wrote: Hrychu wrote: Saper...! wrote: you haven't been listening properly. Properly? What do you mean? I listen to music my own way and come to my own conclusions. They don't always match the Saperlipopette conclusions. Why is that wrong/improper? What is wrong is your own conclusion. That's why it's wrong.

So it's wrong because it's not yours. My opinion is wrong because it's not your opinion.

Edited by Hrychu - March 10 2024 at 00:25

Saper...! wrote: you haven't been listening properly.

Properly? What do you mean?

I listen to music my own way and come to my own conclusions. They don't always match the Saperlipopette conclusions. Why is that wrong/improper?

Edited by Hrychu - March 09 2024 at 23:48

I don't know them well enough to vote but based on what I have heard I'd say no.

The question was confused, must to be, Priest is a Prog Related Band?. My response YES!!!!!

The debut is at best "Aproximative Rock", but Sad Wings is as close as they got to prog.

Blacksword wrote: Logan wrote: ^ That was an interesting discussion. While I didn't add much to it, it did get me to explore more Judas Priest. It's interesting to compare that discussion with this one -- there generally was more "fire" and hard debate in the forums back then. It was subsequently suggested for inclusion several times, this is another of the longer threads: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82433 (this time from 2011). Blacksword wrote: You're alone. They're a heavy metal band... They can be a Heavy Metal band and have a Prog Relation, and the evidence of the many threads suggesting Judas Priest for PA inclusion suggests to me that the OP is not alone, but perhaps I'm misunderstanding your position and/ or you were just being sarcastic (I've been told that I don't get irony, ironically, when I was responding to someone ironically in a self-deprecating manner). It's hard to read people online in a sufficiently nuanced and charitable manner sometimes, and I try to be liberal-minded when it comes to such discussions (i.e. keep an open mind). No sarcasm. I regard them as a heavy metal band. Their prog influence is evident here and there throughout their catalogue, but they wouldn't be suitable for inclusion here under, say Prog Related. The emphasis is too much on metal. I feel the same about Maiden, although IIRC, they are listed here for some reason.

It looks like we may have interpreted the original post differently. While I don't think that Judas Priest should be included in PA anywhere (not that I'd be totally opposed to the idea as I personally don't care that much either way), I didn't think that was the intention of this topic. To me it was enough to vote yes if you noticed some prog relation in the music of Judas Priest, and I do and, it seems to me, clearly many others do to or else Judas Priest wouldn't have been suggested various times over the years. I notice a prog relation in the music of a tonne of bands and artists that I would not endorse for Prog Archives inclusion. To me it seems clear just by reading what others have said in various threads here over the years that the OP is not alone, unless I'm somehow totally misunderstanding his feelings and other peoples feelings, and possibly even my own. Who know what lurks in the hearts of men, other than the shadow.

I have a very liberal mindset -- I don't accept anything as 100 percent certain, and am open to new evidence and ideas. Perhaps I got everything wrong, I can't read other people's minds and I can't trust my own (assuming I have one).

EDIT: I think that I may have misinterpreted you. When you said "you are alone", I assumed that you meant that no one could share the same perspective or hear the music like the OP does, which logically one could not know or even assume to be true, but instead I think that you just meant that you do not hear things the same. He is alone in regards to you not sharing the same perspective. I should have thought of that before -- comprehension can be challenging online and offline and these days I need more time to parse/ unpack/ grok what people probably mean, but I've always been prone to such error when not carefully pondering what people say or write, and sometimes I'm too literal-minded.

Edited by Logan - January 14 2019 at 14:18

Edited by LAM-SGC - January 14 2019 at 11:34