Forum Home Forum Home > Topics not related to music > Just for Fun
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Is the Oboe shunned by prog?
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Is the Oboe shunned by prog?
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  12>
Author
Message Reverse Sort Order
  Topic Search Topic Search  Topic Options Topic Options
ForestFriend View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: February 23 2017
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 680 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ForestFriend Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Is the Oboe shunned by prog?
    Posted: June 29 2018 at 07:54
There's also some oboe during the verses of Fallen Angel. Sounds like a combination of oboe and soprano sax playing the vocal melody at the end of Starless (as well as the reprise of the guitar melody).


Edited by ForestFriend - June 29 2018 at 07:57
My prog band - Boreal Kinship
Back to Top
austrianprogfan View Drop Down
Forum Groupie
Forum Groupie


Joined: June 27 2018
Location: Austria
Status: Offline
Points: 49 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote austrianprogfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2018 at 06:26
...do it twice more, once with the oboe, once without it, and then - we finish.

The Robin Miller in question is also credited on Red. The wind instrument that plays the vocal melody around the 10 minute mark of "Starless" is probably his oboe.


Edited by austrianprogfan - June 29 2018 at 06:36
Back to Top
kenethlevine View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Prog-Folk Team

Joined: December 06 2006
Location: New England
Status: Offline
Points: 8950 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kenethlevine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2018 at 05:37
oboe was used in the main theme of "Hergest Ridge" Part 1 by MIKE OLDFIELD while it seems to have been used in the main instrumental break of "Mother Russia" by RENAISSANCE.  Since most of the 1970s Renaissance albums used an orchestra, specific instruments are not always credited
Back to Top
AreYouHuman View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: April 12 2013
Location: Michigan
Status: Offline
Points: 470 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AreYouHuman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2018 at 20:02

And then there's...


That’s Stephen Houston on oboe.





Edited by AreYouHuman - June 28 2018 at 20:04
Caption: We tend to take ourselves a little too seriously.

Silly human race! Yes is for everybody!
Back to Top
Boojieboy View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: April 02 2016
Location: Earth
Status: Offline
Points: 649 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Boojieboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2018 at 16:28
There's great oboe work by Andrew McKay (Roxy Music), Peter Gabriel (Selling England-era Genesis), and Robin Miller (Crimso), to name a few.
Back to Top
cstack3 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar
VIP Member

Joined: July 20 2009
Location: Tucson, AZ USA
Status: Offline
Points: 7264 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cstack3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2018 at 22:21
More information about "Lizard," this article is great! 

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/king-crimson-lizard/

He did muster praise for "Bolero," writing, "This is the only part of the album I am able to remember with anything other than fear, terror, misery and suffering. ... The main theme, played on oboe by Robin Miller (co-principal oboist with the BBC Symphony Orchestra under [conductor Pierre] Boulez at the time) is a gift. This is a melody which sustained me in difficult times."




Edited by cstack3 - June 20 2018 at 22:26
I am not a Robot, I'm a FREE MAN!!
Back to Top
cstack3 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar
VIP Member

Joined: July 20 2009
Location: Tucson, AZ USA
Status: Offline
Points: 7264 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cstack3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2018 at 22:19
Upon reflection, I remembered hearing a bit of oboe on KC's "Lizard," perhaps on "Prince Rupert Awakes." 

I checked the personnel via Wikipedia: 

King Crimson
Additional musicians
I am not a Robot, I'm a FREE MAN!!
Back to Top
BaldFriede View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: June 02 2005
Location: Germany
Status: Offline
Points: 10261 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BaldFriede Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2018 at 03:01
Originally posted by ForestFriend ForestFriend wrote:

My definition of shrill is more like "annoyingly trebly", so I would have to disagree with you there... of course we could spend all day arguing about timbral adjectives and accomplish nothing.

Shrill is definitely "annoying trebly", but that's exactly why it is aggressive.


BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue.
Back to Top
ForestFriend View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: February 23 2017
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 680 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ForestFriend Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2018 at 21:12
My definition of shrill is more like "annoyingly trebly", so I would have to disagree with you there... of course we could spend all day arguing about timbral adjectives and accomplish nothing.
My prog band - Boreal Kinship
Back to Top
BaldFriede View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: June 02 2005
Location: Germany
Status: Offline
Points: 10261 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BaldFriede Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2018 at 19:43
Originally posted by ForestFriend ForestFriend wrote:

I'm having trouble imagining an oboe getting a really good aggressive sound without sounding quacky and shrill. Might be why a lot of proggers stick to flute, sax or violin for their "unusual" instruments. Anyone have any examples where an oboe is used as a rock instrument, rather than just for lighter/classically inspired parts?

Hm, in my opinion "shrill" equals "aggressive", so I see absolutely no problem there. An aggressive sax or violin also sounds shrill.


BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue.
Back to Top
ForestFriend View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: February 23 2017
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 680 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ForestFriend Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2018 at 18:43
I'm having trouble imagining an oboe getting a really good aggressive sound without sounding quacky and shrill. Might be why a lot of proggers stick to flute, sax or violin for their "unusual" instruments. Anyone have any examples where an oboe is used as a rock instrument, rather than just for lighter/classically inspired parts?
My prog band - Boreal Kinship
Back to Top
someone_else View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar
VIP Member

Joined: May 02 2008
Location: Going Bananas
Status: Offline
Points: 24294 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote someone_else Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2018 at 08:52
Just listening to Franco Battiato's Sulle Corde di Aries. A wonderful album that I would recommend to anyone. The final track is full of oboe.
Back to Top
Mascodagama View Drop Down
Collaborator
Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: December 30 2006
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 5111 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mascodagama Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2018 at 16:07
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Peter Gabriel played oboe.  

http://www.uncut.co.uk/features/peter-gabriel-you-could-feel-the-horror-29379

<span style="font-size: 16px; font-family: "Noticia Text"; font-weight: bold;">I played the flute – badly – and the oboe very badly, and the drums pretty badly, but all enthusiastically.</span>
How different things might have been if PG had been the drummer / wind player and let PC handle vocals and lyrics in ‘classic’ Genesis. We coulda had a fifteen-minute version of Sussudio with bad drums and a terrible oboe break. I'd pay good money for it.

Edited by Mascodagama - June 17 2018 at 16:09
Soldato of the Pan Head Mafia. We'll make you an offer you can't listen to.
Bandcamp Profile
Back to Top
Tholomyes View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: September 16 2005
Location: Peru
Status: Offline
Points: 338 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tholomyes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2018 at 14:44
Karl Jenkins in The Soft Machine



Edited by Tholomyes - June 17 2018 at 16:56
Back to Top
The Dark Elf View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar
VIP Member

Joined: February 01 2011
Location: Michigan
Status: Offline
Points: 13054 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Dark Elf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2018 at 21:52
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Peter Gabriel played oboe.  

http://www.uncut.co.uk/features/peter-gabriel-you-could-feel-the-horror-29379

I played the flute – badly – and the oboe very badly, and the drums pretty badly, but all enthusiastically.

Barbershop Quartet/Tin Pan Alley Prog complete with tuba solo, brought to you by Peter Gabriel:
...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
Back to Top
cstack3 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar
VIP Member

Joined: July 20 2009
Location: Tucson, AZ USA
Status: Offline
Points: 7264 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cstack3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2018 at 21:30
Peter Gabriel played oboe.  

http://www.uncut.co.uk/features/peter-gabriel-you-could-feel-the-horror-29379

I played the flute – badly – and the oboe very badly, and the drums pretty badly, but all enthusiastically.
I am not a Robot, I'm a FREE MAN!!
Back to Top
rminsk View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: November 24 2016
Location: Calabasas
Status: Offline
Points: 190 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rminsk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2018 at 19:53
Rachel Flowers uses an Oboe in her cover of Startless.
Back to Top
siLLy puPPy View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
PSIKE, JRF/Canterbury, P Metal, Eclectic

Joined: October 05 2013
Location: SFcaUsA
Status: Offline
Points: 15242 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote siLLy puPPy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2018 at 18:33
Why is the vuvuzela shunned in prog? Should i start a new thread?
Uh, ok.  Ouch

https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy
Back to Top
Nogbad_The_Bad View Drop Down
Forum & Site Admin Group
Forum & Site Admin Group
Avatar
RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team

Joined: March 16 2007
Location: Boston
Status: Offline
Points: 20844 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Nogbad_The_Bad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2018 at 12:57
Originally posted by ReactioninG ReactioninG wrote:

Prog has made it so I don't even know what an oboe is. Is it like a violin? I think maybe.


You know that squeaky squawky thing you occasionally hear between keyboard washes and harmony vocals? That's an oboe.
Ian

Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com

https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/
Back to Top
ReactioninG View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: November 26 2017
Location: Massachusetts
Status: Offline
Points: 156 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ReactioninG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2018 at 12:41
Prog has made it so I don't even know what an oboe is. Is it like a violin? I think maybe.
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  12>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.172 seconds.
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.