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Topic: Is the Oboe shunned by prog?
Posted By: SteveG
Subject: Is the Oboe shunned by prog?
Date Posted: June 14 2018 at 09:34
Is the Oboe shunned by prog? One more inane thread about instruments used in prog. (Admins, feel free to delete this thread.)



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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: June 14 2018 at 09:38
What about the Pan Flute? 


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: June 14 2018 at 10:04
^ About as well appreciated as the jew's harp and the kazoo, I'm afraid.

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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: June 14 2018 at 10:21
I prefer threads who give advice about how to torture domestic animals with prog instruments.

Far more educative and satisfying.

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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: June 14 2018 at 11:46
Roxy Music

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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: June 14 2018 at 11:59
Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

I prefer threads who give advice about how to torture domestic animals with prog instruments.

Far more educative and satisfying.


Sometimes, the torture is done by said domestic animals:




Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: June 14 2018 at 12:34
Listen to the debut of SOT, where the bass is replaced by a tuba


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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: June 14 2018 at 12:40
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:


Listen to the debut of SOT, where the bass is replaced by a tuba
Kind of Saltz? Good record.

The use of brass bass goes right back to the beginnings of jazz of course. My favourite contemporary group featuring those hard-funking tuba basslnes is Sons of Kemet.

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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 14 2018 at 12:46
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Is the Oboe shunned by prog? One more inane thread about instruments used in prog. (Admins, feel free to delete this thread.)

All instruments are shunned by prog......We have admins?? LOL


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Posted By: terramystic
Date Posted: June 14 2018 at 13:17
I like oboe on Popol Vuh - Seligpreisung and Dharana - Between.

It's the same oboist - Robert Eliscu.


Posted By: terramystic
Date Posted: June 14 2018 at 13:18
Prog is not afraid of any instrument.


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: June 14 2018 at 14:25
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: June 14 2018 at 14:27
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Is the Oboe shunned by prog? One more inane thread about instruments used in prog. (Admins, feel free to delete this thread.)

All instruments are shunned by prog......We have admins?? LOL
I heard that PA was trying to rent a Gort from Steve Hoffman for the weekends but Hoffman charged too much.

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Posted By: Blaqua
Date Posted: June 14 2018 at 15:01
I would like it to be more present. It can produce excellent tones that gel with prog rock's sounds.


Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: June 14 2018 at 17:00
There's plenty of oboe in folk/renaissance music, a lot of which can be considere prog.


Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: June 14 2018 at 17:45
since there is also a thread about the bassoon being shunned: on Camel's  "The Snow Goose" both appear


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Posted By: ReactioninG
Date Posted: June 15 2018 at 12:41
Prog has made it so I don't even know what an oboe is. Is it like a violin? I think maybe.


Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: June 15 2018 at 12:57
Originally posted by ReactioninG ReactioninG wrote:

Prog has made it so I don't even know what an oboe is. Is it like a violin? I think maybe.


You know that squeaky squawky thing you occasionally hear between keyboard washes and harmony vocals? That's an oboe.

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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: June 15 2018 at 18:33
Why is the vuvuzela shunned in prog? Should i start a new thread?
Uh, ok.  Ouch


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Posted By: rminsk
Date Posted: June 15 2018 at 19:53
Rachel Flowers uses an Oboe in her cover of Startless.


Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: June 15 2018 at 21:30
Peter Gabriel played oboe.  

http://www.uncut.co.uk/features/peter-gabriel-you-could-feel-the-horror-29379" rel="nofollow - http://www.uncut.co.uk/features/peter-gabriel-you-could-feel-the-horror-29379

I played the flute – badly – and the oboe very badly, and the drums pretty badly, but all enthusiastically.


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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: June 15 2018 at 21:52
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Peter Gabriel played oboe.  

http://www.uncut.co.uk/features/peter-gabriel-you-could-feel-the-horror-29379" rel="nofollow - http://www.uncut.co.uk/features/peter-gabriel-you-could-feel-the-horror-29379

I played the flute – badly – and the oboe very badly, and the drums pretty badly, but all enthusiastically.

Barbershop Quartet/Tin Pan Alley Prog complete with tuba solo, brought to you by Peter Gabriel:




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Posted By: Tholomyes
Date Posted: June 17 2018 at 14:44
Karl Jenkins in The Soft Machine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uvksv_g5ZHs" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uvksv_g5ZHs


Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: June 17 2018 at 16:07
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Peter Gabriel played oboe.  

http://www.uncut.co.uk/features/peter-gabriel-you-could-feel-the-horror-29379" rel="nofollow - http://www.uncut.co.uk/features/peter-gabriel-you-could-feel-the-horror-29379

<span style="font-size: 16px; font-family: "Noticia Text"; font-weight: bold;">I played the flute – badly – and the oboe very badly, and the drums pretty badly, but all enthusiastically.</span>
How different things might have been if PG had been the drummer / wind player and let PC handle vocals and lyrics in ‘classic’ Genesis. We coulda had a fifteen-minute version of Sussudio with bad drums and a terrible oboe break. I'd pay good money for it.

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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: June 19 2018 at 08:52
Just listening to Franco Battiato's Sulle Corde di Aries. A wonderful album that I would recommend to anyone. The final track is full of oboe.

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Posted By: ForestFriend
Date Posted: June 19 2018 at 18:43
I'm having trouble imagining an oboe getting a really good aggressive sound without sounding quacky and shrill. Might be why a lot of proggers stick to flute, sax or violin for their "unusual" instruments. Anyone have any examples where an oboe is used as a rock instrument, rather than just for lighter/classically inspired parts?


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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 19 2018 at 19:43
Originally posted by ForestFriend ForestFriend wrote:

I'm having trouble imagining an oboe getting a really good aggressive sound without sounding quacky and shrill. Might be why a lot of proggers stick to flute, sax or violin for their "unusual" instruments. Anyone have any examples where an oboe is used as a rock instrument, rather than just for lighter/classically inspired parts?

Hm, in my opinion "shrill" equals "aggressive", so I see absolutely no problem there. An aggressive sax or violin also sounds shrill.


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Posted By: ForestFriend
Date Posted: June 19 2018 at 21:12
My definition of shrill is more like "annoyingly trebly", so I would have to disagree with you there... of course we could spend all day arguing about timbral adjectives and accomplish nothing.


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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 20 2018 at 03:01
Originally posted by ForestFriend ForestFriend wrote:

My definition of shrill is more like "annoyingly trebly", so I would have to disagree with you there... of course we could spend all day arguing about timbral adjectives and accomplish nothing.

Shrill is definitely "annoying trebly", but that's exactly why it is aggressive.


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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: June 20 2018 at 22:19
Upon reflection, I remembered hearing a bit of oboe on KC's "Lizard," perhaps on "Prince Rupert Awakes." 

I checked the personnel via Wikipedia: 

King Crimson
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Fripp" rel="nofollow - Robert Fripp  – guitar, Mellotron (1, 2, 5), synthesizer (2), organ (2), devices,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Record_producer" rel="nofollow - production , remixing (7)
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Sinfield" rel="nofollow - Peter Sinfield  – lyrics,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VCS3" rel="nofollow - VCS3  (2, 3), pictures, sleeve conception, production
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Collins" rel="nofollow - Mel Collins  – saxophone, flute
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Haskell" rel="nofollow - Gordon Haskell  – bass guitar, vocals
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_McCulloch_%28drummer%29" rel="nofollow - Andy McCulloch  – drums
Additional musicians
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Tippett" rel="nofollow - Keith Tippett  – acoustic and electric pianos
  • Robin Miller – oboe, English horn
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Charig" rel="nofollow - Mark Charig  – cornet
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Evans_%28trombonist%29" rel="nofollow - Nick Evans  – trombone
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Anderson" rel="nofollow - Jon Anderson  – vocals (5-a)



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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: June 20 2018 at 22:21
More information about "Lizard," this article is great! 

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/king-crimson-lizard/" rel="nofollow - http://ultimateclassicrock.com/king-crimson-lizard/

He did muster praise for "Bolero," writing, "This is the only part of the album I am able to remember with anything other than fear, terror, misery and suffering. ... The main theme, played on oboe by Robin Miller (co-principal oboist with the BBC Symphony Orchestra under [conductor Pierre] Boulez at the time) is a gift. This is a melody which sustained me in difficult times."




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Posted By: Boojieboy
Date Posted: June 27 2018 at 16:28
There's great oboe work by Andrew McKay (Roxy Music), Peter Gabriel (Selling England-era Genesis), and Robin Miller (Crimso), to name a few.


Posted By: AreYouHuman
Date Posted: June 28 2018 at 20:02

And then there's...


That’s Stephen Houston on oboe.





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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: June 29 2018 at 05:37
oboe was used in the main theme of "Hergest Ridge" Part 1 by MIKE OLDFIELD while it seems to have been used in the main instrumental break of "Mother Russia" by RENAISSANCE.  Since most of the 1970s Renaissance albums used an orchestra, specific instruments are not always credited


Posted By: austrianprogfan
Date Posted: June 29 2018 at 06:26
...do it twice more, once with the oboe, once without it, and then - we finish.

The Robin Miller in question is also credited on Red. The wind instrument that plays the vocal melody around the 10 minute mark of "Starless" is probably his oboe.


Posted By: ForestFriend
Date Posted: June 29 2018 at 07:54
There's also some oboe during the verses of Fallen Angel. Sounds like a combination of oboe and soprano sax playing the vocal melody at the end of Starless (as well as the reprise of the guitar melody).


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