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AFlowerKingCrimson 
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Posted: February 27 2018 at 14:01 |
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^Low ticket sales. I'm sure some people bought tickets for that show but not enough. ;)
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Posted: February 27 2018 at 12:32 |
^ Probably because prog does not pay, unless your Rush. Later Genesis (post PG) gave them fame, hit records and money. Phil's solo career made him a millionaire.....I have zero issue with this and don't consider it a "sell-out". At the core all these 60-70s musicians are pop music lovers, growing up listening to R&B, soul and American pop as well as local pop music. Prog was experimental for them, but it did not pay......Remember even in the mid 70's when Genesis was very popular, their last scheduled Lamb live show was cancelled due to no ticket sales. This was to be the last show with Gabriel, and it did not happen. It was then they realized the last show had already happened with Gabriel, so it was kinda like a dry hump.....
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Posted: February 27 2018 at 12:26 |
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Yep...on the radio. Own his first two and never listen to them at home.
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Posted: February 27 2018 at 10:22 |
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The first two solo albums had some good stuff , especially the first one. It got real poppy after that. |
What does "poppy" have to do with it? The Beatles were all "poppy" and the #1 girl band on the face of the planet, you guys hold them to the highest esteem, so I know you guys like "poppy". |
Maybe because the Beatles were like that from the beginning. They never pretended to be anything else. Even when they got experimental, it was still poppy. With Phil, he started out as prog, sprinkled in some jazz, and then went full on pop. It smells of sellout, depending of who you ask. Now, does that mean that the music sucks? Was he really a sellout? That's a matter of opinion.
I cut my teeth on Abacab and later Genesis so I don't get all indignant about Genesis no longer being hardcore prog after about 1980. However, Phil's solo stuff, especially what came later is not at all to my tastes. Again, it shocks me that a guy who could be in Genesis in the 70s and Brand X could write pop tripe like Against All Odds and Sussudio 
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Posted: February 27 2018 at 10:02 |
Argo2112 wrote:
The first two solo albums had some good stuff , especially the first one. It got real poppy after that. |
What does "poppy" have to do with it? The Beatles were all "poppy" and the #1 girl band on the face of the planet, you guys hold them to the highest esteem, so I know you guys like "poppy".
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Posted: February 27 2018 at 08:41 |
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The first two solo albums had some good stuff , especially the first one. It got real poppy after that.
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Posted: February 27 2018 at 07:30 |
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^ my problem with all the songs you mentioned is that they were overplayed, on radio and TV. |
No question and I certainly haven't heard deeper tracks on those albums. I suppose I should check some of them out to see if there is any bits of 70s Phil in any of those songs
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Posted: February 27 2018 at 06:44 |
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Excluding some Brand X stuff, no I don't like his solo stuff. In the Air Tonight and I missed again are the only songs I can tolerate. I've heard maybe five of his albums.
White middle class men in polyester suits murdering Motown classics is not good form at all, by any measure.
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Posted: February 26 2018 at 16:23 |
I clicked YES.....too many other choices. Could have gone with the Most option too, but I quite like Phil Collins, I think he is a very good to excellent writer and musician.
He's really smart behind the mixing board too, great producer.
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Posted: February 26 2018 at 06:31 |
It's been so long since I've listened to any of his solo stuff, but a couple interesting ones were:
Tomorrow Never Knows (a Beatles cover) I Don't Care Anymore Do You Know, Do You Care? Thru These Walls Inside Out Colours I Wish It Would Rain Down (with Clapton)
It always seemed like he needed more chords or the Tony Banks treatment or something. But I think he intentionally wanted them simple. For the kind of drummer he was, I'm surprised he didn't showcase his skills in that department much in his solo stuff, especially with the over-usage of drum machines. Was he really that busy that he couldn't lay down a decent drum track? It also seemed he was more interested in personal stuff, ranging from sappy, syrupy things to songs about his divorces.
For what it's worth, Banks' and Rutherford's non-Genesis 1980s stuff are just as flawed. They both had OK debut solo albums. Maybe Phil should have made one back in the 1970s?
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Posted: February 26 2018 at 05:51 |
^ my problem with all the songs you mentioned is that they were overplayed, on radio and TV. There was his come back single on his Testify album - Can't Stop Loving You, not a bad song IMO, but OMG, I could not escape this song back when it was released. It got annoying really fast.
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Posted: February 26 2018 at 05:45 |
A couple of his early songs are pretty good but overall I'm not a fan. Once he got to stuff like Sussudio, that was it and don't get me started on other stuff like Against All Odds and Another Day in Paradise. 
It really amazes me that a guy who was in prog Genesis and Brand X could write entire albums of pop tripe but hey he sold a lot of records so good for him in that regard
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Posted: February 25 2018 at 00:06 |
I'm a big fan of Brand X and agree, don't class this as a solo effort. Yes, Phil created the band and was at his prime back then 
Not a huge fan of Phil's solo works here, but I do own a greatest hits album of his... .. After Steve Hackett left Genesis, got confused with Phil's solo work and Genesis to be honest!!.... |
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Posted: February 24 2018 at 19:13 |
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Some but not all.
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Posted: February 24 2018 at 18:32 |
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I have to go with the majority on this one (Damn! What is this world coming to?) Some but not all. As I explained to a hardcore Phil Collins solo works fan once, for the most part, '80s pop really isn't my thing but for what it was, he did it exceedingly well. IOW, I can appreciate his talent even if I do not care for the style. And I am a big fan of Phil's vocal work with Genesis overall. The later poppy stuff, not as much, but even the last few albums had the occasional "bone" to throw to us old fans.
Edited by SquonkHunter - February 24 2018 at 18:33
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Posted: February 24 2018 at 12:56 |
Tom Ozric wrote:
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Some, not all. First solo album is great! |
I concur !! |
Me too!
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Posted: February 23 2018 at 21:58 |
verslibre wrote:
Some, not all. First solo album is great! |
I concur !!
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Posted: February 23 2018 at 21:17 |
The.Crimson.King wrote:
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
Of course I'm aware of Brand X but he didn't sing on any of those as far as I know.
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My fave Brand X album, "Product" has Phil's vocals all over it...I don't think he sang on any others though  |
Thanks for the heads up on that. I was totally unaware.
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Posted: February 23 2018 at 21:15 |
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As with most pop artists, I only like a few songs a lot and the less stellar ones are just forgettable... though I usually am not interested enough to dig too deep into their discography either.
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Posted: February 23 2018 at 19:36 |
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Ya know....if one of his songs come on the radio I'll listen...but I don't own any of his solo lp's.
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