Phil Collins solo material
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Topic: Phil Collins solo material
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Subject: Phil Collins solo material
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 15:35
I was thinking about this today for some reason. I like most of his solo stuff. I could do without the Tarzan stuff or whatever but even most of his pop stuff seems good for what it is to me. Yes, I realize I'm probably the outlier here. 
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 15:42
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I like some of his stuff as well, although I rarely listen to his solo works. Face Value and But Seriously are good albums. No Jacket Required is ok, too. Testify was a nice surprise, IMO his best since the 80s.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 15:43
| Brand X is cool, too, let's not forget about that :))) |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 16:12
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no ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 16:12
hardly his solo material though ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Cristi wrote:Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 16:31
the poll omits Brand X though
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Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 17:06
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Hmmm..strokes beard and ponders...I bought Face Value as a loyal Genesis fan. I remember being proud he was on the TV with his paint pot. Initially quite liked the album - but as his solo career continued, Genesis continued to move away from their roots, the suit sleeves started getting rolled up, Easy Lover and You Can't Hurry Love came out, and finally the film Buster came out - I practically disowned him (sorry Phil, it wasn't personal - it's just business!). Thankfully his contribution to classic or even mid-period Genesis shines brightly still for me - and as you get older you get more forgiving of any errors of judgement. Liked his stuff with Brand X though! ------------- “Living in their pools, they soon forget about the sea.” |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 17:11
| I don't like Phil Collins solo stuff at all. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 18:48
Of course I'm aware of Brand X but he didn't sing on any of those as far as I know. I don't consider them solo albums either. I only technically had Genesis in the poll because I figured there was some who liked his work with Genesis but not solo. Hope this makes sense(at least to some of you.
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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 18:55
My fave Brand X album, "Product" has Phil's vocals all over it...I don't think he sang on any others though  ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 19:15
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Some, not all. First solo album is great! ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 19:36
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Ya know....if one of his songs come on the radio I'll listen...but I don't own any of his solo lp's. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 21:15
| As with most pop artists, I only like a few songs a lot and the less stellar ones are just forgettable... though I usually am not interested enough to dig too deep into their discography either. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 21:17
Thanks for the heads up on that. I was totally unaware.
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 21:58
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Posted By: Formentera Lady
Date Posted: February 24 2018 at 12:56
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Posted By: SquonkHunter
Date Posted: February 24 2018 at 18:32
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I have to go with the majority on this one (Damn! What is this world coming to?) Some but not all. As I explained to a hardcore Phil Collins solo works fan once, for the most part, '80s pop really isn't my thing but for what it was, he did it exceedingly well. IOW, I can appreciate his talent even if I do not care for the style. And I am a big fan of Phil's vocal work with Genesis overall. The later poppy stuff, not as much, but even the last few albums had the occasional "bone" to throw to us old fans. ------------- "You never had the things you thought you should have had and you'll not get them now..." |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: February 24 2018 at 19:13
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Some but not all. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: noni
Date Posted: February 25 2018 at 00:06
I'm a big fan of Brand X and agree, don't class this as a solo effort. Yes, Phil created the band and was at his prime back then  Not a huge fan of Phil's solo works here, but I do own a greatest hits album of his...
.. After Steve Hackett left Genesis, got confused with Phil's solo work and Genesis to be honest!!.... |
Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: February 26 2018 at 05:45
A couple of his early songs are pretty good but overall I'm not a fan. Once he got to stuff like Sussudio, that was it and don't get me started on other stuff like Against All Odds and Another Day in Paradise.  It really amazes me that a guy who was in prog Genesis and Brand X could write entire albums of pop tripe but hey he sold a lot of records so good for him in that regard ------------- We all dwell in an amber subdomain, amber subdomain, amber subdomain. My face IS a maserati |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 26 2018 at 05:51
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^ my problem with all the songs you mentioned is that they were overplayed, on radio and TV. There was his come back single on his Testify album - Can't Stop Loving You, not a bad song IMO, but OMG, I could not escape this song back when it was released. It got annoying really fast.
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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: February 26 2018 at 06:31
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It's been so long since I've listened to any of his solo stuff, but a couple interesting ones were: Tomorrow Never Knows (a Beatles cover) I Don't Care Anymore Do You Know, Do You Care? Thru These Walls Inside Out Colours I Wish It Would Rain Down (with Clapton) It always seemed like he needed more chords or the Tony Banks treatment or something. But I think he intentionally wanted them simple. For the kind of drummer he was, I'm surprised he didn't showcase his skills in that department much in his solo stuff, especially with the over-usage of drum machines. Was he really that busy that he couldn't lay down a decent drum track? It also seemed he was more interested in personal stuff, ranging from sappy, syrupy things to songs about his divorces. For what it's worth, Banks' and Rutherford's non-Genesis 1980s stuff are just as flawed. They both had OK debut solo albums. Maybe Phil should have made one back in the 1970s? ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: February 26 2018 at 16:23
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I clicked YES.....too many other choices. Could have gone with the Most option too, but I quite like Phil Collins, I think he is a very good to excellent writer and musician. He's really smart behind the mixing board too, great producer. -------------   
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 27 2018 at 06:44
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Excluding some Brand X stuff, no I don't like his solo stuff. In the Air Tonight and I missed again are the only songs I can tolerate. I've heard maybe five of his albums. White middle class men in polyester suits murdering Motown classics is not good form at all, by any measure. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: February 27 2018 at 07:30
No question and I certainly haven't heard deeper tracks on those albums. I suppose I should check some of them out to see if there is any bits of 70s Phil in any of those songs ------------- We all dwell in an amber subdomain, amber subdomain, amber subdomain. My face IS a maserati |
Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: February 27 2018 at 08:41
| The first two solo albums had some good stuff , especially the first one. It got real poppy after that. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: February 27 2018 at 10:02
What does "poppy" have to do with it? The Beatles were all "poppy" and the #1 girl band on the face of the planet, you guys hold them to the highest esteem, so I know you guys like "poppy".  -------------
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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: February 27 2018 at 10:22
Maybe because the Beatles were like that from the beginning. They never pretended to be anything else. Even when they got experimental, it was still poppy. With Phil, he started out as prog, sprinkled in some jazz, and then went full on pop. It smells of sellout, depending of who you ask. Now, does that mean that the music sucks? Was he really a sellout? That's a matter of opinion. I cut my teeth on Abacab and later Genesis so I don't get all indignant about Genesis no longer being hardcore prog after about 1980. However, Phil's solo stuff, especially what came later is not at all to my tastes. Again, it shocks me that a guy who could be in Genesis in the 70s and Brand X could write pop tripe like Against All Odds and Sussudio
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: February 27 2018 at 12:26
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Yep...on the radio. Own his first two and never listen to them at home. ------------- |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: February 27 2018 at 12:32
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^ Probably because prog does not pay, unless your Rush. Later Genesis (post PG) gave them fame, hit records and money. Phil's solo career made him a millionaire.....I have zero issue with this and don't consider it a "sell-out". At the core all these 60-70s musicians are pop music lovers, growing up listening to R&B, soul and American pop as well as local pop music. Prog was experimental for them, but it did not pay......Remember even in the mid 70's when Genesis was very popular, their last scheduled Lamb live show was cancelled due to no ticket sales. This was to be the last show with Gabriel, and it did not happen. It was then they realized the last show had already happened with Gabriel, so it was kinda like a dry hump..... -------------
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 27 2018 at 14:01
| ^Low ticket sales. I'm sure some people bought tickets for that show but not enough. ;) |