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EddieRUKiddingVarese 
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Joined: February 04 2016 Location: Aust Status: Offline Points: 1802 |
 Topic: US Presidential Poll (Registered Voters Only)Posted: November 16 2016 at 05:11 |
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Woops
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"Everyone is born with genius, but most people only keep it a few minutes"
and I need the knits, the double knits! |
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HemispheresOfXanadu
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Joined: June 28 2012 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 4339 |
Posted: September 09 2016 at 11:20 |
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@ProgFollower on Twitter. Tweet me muzak.
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CPicard
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Joined: October 03 2008 Location: Là, sui monti. Status: Offline Points: 10841 |
Posted: September 05 2016 at 10:45 |
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Oh, can't you just cancel your election and turn this country into a network of self-governing communities, like any reasonable and sensible people would do?
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EddieRUKiddingVarese
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Joined: February 04 2016 Location: Aust Status: Offline Points: 1802 |
Posted: September 05 2016 at 00:29 |
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same 
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"Everyone is born with genius, but most people only keep it a few minutes"
and I need the knits, the double knits! |
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TeleStrat
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Joined: December 27 2014 Location: Norwalk, CA Status: Offline Points: 9319 |
Posted: September 05 2016 at 00:20 |
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^^^ I agree about Trump's platform. His "followers" already existed before he came along. They were waiting for any candidate who was bold enough to push their issues to the forefront during the primaries.
Looking back at the original group of candidates I can't think of one that could have pulled it off the way Trump did. He is showing signs of settling down a bit and occasionally acting somewhat presidential. This has to be worrying the Clinton camp since they already have their hands full with those pesky email problems that just won't go away and the Clinton Foundation.
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Atavachron
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65269 |
Posted: September 05 2016 at 00:09 |
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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EddieRUKiddingVarese
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Joined: February 04 2016 Location: Aust Status: Offline Points: 1802 |
Posted: September 04 2016 at 23:46 |
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Anyone for Putin
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"Everyone is born with genius, but most people only keep it a few minutes"
and I need the knits, the double knits! |
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Atavachron
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65269 |
Posted: September 04 2016 at 22:24 |
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I do have to say Trump could be, if he wanted, an excellent conservative candidate: he's smart, savvy, and can't really be bought 'cause he has all the money. On the other hand if he hadn't run on his current platform he probably wouldn't be the nominee. |
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Barbu
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Joined: October 09 2005 Location: infinity Status: Offline Points: 30850 |
Posted: September 04 2016 at 17:47 |
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Careful what you wish for, it might happen:
Not this time, that's for sure. How did you, keepers of all truths (republicans), let this clown...? |
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TeleStrat
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Joined: December 27 2014 Location: Norwalk, CA Status: Offline Points: 9319 |
Posted: September 04 2016 at 14:27 |
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I am not a fan of Obama's politics and less of a fan of Clinton's politics. I am a Conservative and have been since the late sixties. I don't get into many political discussions here because there is nothing anyone can say that will ever change my mind.
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Luna
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Joined: July 28 2010 Location: Funky Town Status: Offline Points: 12794 |
Posted: September 04 2016 at 11:36 |
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^ What Dean said but with fuzzy animals
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Dean
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Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: September 04 2016 at 02:37 |
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The problem is not the partisan two-party "nonsense", it's the plurality voting system that creates a two-party system, not the other way around. Similarly the wasted-vote "bullsh*t" is a consequence of the voting system, not the mind-set of the voting public. It is also the voting system that creates and enables tactical voting, where voting for the lesser of two evils is always a safer bet than voting for any third candidate in avoiding the worst of two evils winning. First-past-the-post and other simple plurality systems also mean that gerrymandering and other 'legal' voter-manipulation methods work at all - these tactics are not just designed to ensure that a particular party wins, they also ensure that a third party remains in third place. All of these are "applied mathematics" and they negate any "theoretical mathematics" anyone may be using to convince anyone else that a third candidate could win - mathematically a third candidate can win 49.99% of the popular vote and still not win a single state. This is not the fault of the voting public and it is not born out of their ignorance, stupidity or blind allegiance to one of the two major parties. State Trump Clinton Johnson 1 51% 0% 49% 2 0% 51% 49% 3 0% 51% 49% 4 0% 51% 49% 5 51% 0% 49% 6 0% 51% 49% 7 51% 0% 49% 8 0% 51% 49% 9 0% 51% 49% 10 51% 0% 49% States won 4 6 0 Popular vote 20% 31% 49% [edit: If we extrapolate this to 50 states with Clinton winning 26 to Trump's 24 and Johnson coming 2nd in all of them then the popular vote percentages look even worse: Trump: 24%, Clinton 27% and Johnson 49%] So Clinton wins the Presidency by winning 60% of states despite only having 31% of the public voting for her. Johnson claims the moral victory but goes home with nothing. There is nothing here that will encourage either Republican or Democrats to change or reform the system because it works just fine for them, even the losing Republicans will want to retain the FPTP system because they won 40% of the states with only 20% of the popular vote. The same is true for House of Representative and Congress elections - Libertarians (or Greeens) can secure 49% of the popular vote without winning a single seat - this is not a system that the winning or second-place party will ever want to change. 'FPTP' guarantees that someone will win and in a Presidential election that is exactly the outcome that is required so alternatives are hard to find, the down-side is that President will always come from one of the two major parties because it is a plurality system. Therefore only viable way a third candidate can win is by their party becoming the one of the two major parties, and the reality of that is a long way off yet even with the apparent/alleged decline of either of them (and their candidates). Then, and only then, can they start winning states in a Presidential election. You cannot defeat this system in the ballot box, it can only be through electoral-reform, but as I have shown, neither Republicans nor Democrats would benefit from that so it will never happen. BUT - keep voting Libertarian, Green, Independent or spoil your ballot because that is your right, just don't blame the voters when your candidate does not win because it's not their fault, it's the system. Edited by Dean - September 04 2016 at 03:10 |
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Atavachron
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65269 |
Posted: September 04 2016 at 00:00 |
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Really? Sounds pretty good to me if that means another four to eight years of Obama politics. Careful what you wish for, it might happen. |
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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ProgMetaller2112
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Joined: December 08 2012 Location: Pacoima,CA,USA Status: Offline Points: 3145 |
Posted: September 03 2016 at 23:51 |
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Seriously bro?
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
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manofmystery
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Joined: January 26 2008 Location: PA, USA Status: Offline Points: 4335 |
Posted: July 30 2016 at 11:36 |
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Would be nice if all the justified hatred of each of the "major" party candidates could be used to back the only other candidate that could mathematically win but noooooooo, the ridiculous "a vote for him is a vote for..." bullsh*t has been so deeply ingrained in the mush-minds of the electorate we'll never break free of this republican/democrat nonsense. I'm aware Gary Johnson isn't a perfect candidate, by any means, but he sure as hell beats the neocon criminal the democrats are running and the ignorant fascist the republicans have selected.
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ClemofNazareth
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Prog Folk Researcher Joined: August 17 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4659 |
Posted: July 30 2016 at 02:20 |
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Giant meteor/Zombie.
Actually for the first time in 36 years me and my now mandated state-issued ID card (thanks GOP) are going down to the polls not to vote for someone I believe in, but rather against a buffoon/anarchy. It sickens me that among our 330,000,000 citizens (and one Canadian senator), this is the best we can do. No matter what happens this president will have less of a popular mandate than any in history, except possibly Ford who wasn't even elected in the first place. Clinton/Kaine and hopefully all our 18 year olds won't be dead on a battlefield somewhere when we get a chance to get it right in 2020. |
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"Peace is the only battle worth waging."
Albert Camus |
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Logan
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Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Online Points: 36036 |
Posted: July 29 2016 at 12:44 |
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Maybe down the road good friends Ivanka and Chelsea will be on the ticket together. I do think I'd vote for them (provided they had experience).
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timothy leary
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Joined: December 29 2005 Location: Lilliwaup, Wa. Status: Offline Points: 5319 |
Posted: July 29 2016 at 12:25 |
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By the time the election rolls around they should be fully demonized and ready for office. The three amigos.
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Catcher10
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Posted: July 29 2016 at 11:37 |
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CPicard
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Joined: October 03 2008 Location: Là, sui monti. Status: Offline Points: 10841 |
Posted: July 29 2016 at 07:25 |
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Johnston / Trudeau.
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