US Presidential Poll (Registered Voters Only)
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Topic: US Presidential Poll (Registered Voters Only)
Posted By: manofmystery
Subject: US Presidential Poll (Registered Voters Only)
Date Posted: July 28 2016 at 10:05
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Now that each party's ticket has been finalized it's time to take an early look at where Progarchives' US voters (registered voters only, please) stand. Unlike the other polls that have appeared so far this one is intended to present an accurate representation of how the ballot will appear in all 50 states (sorry, Jill stein does not appear as she's only likely to gain ballot access in around half the states - those voting for her can select the "Write-In" option). Of course, there is still a lot of time left in the campaign and things can change drastically so expect another one of these in the fall, close to the election. -------------  Time always wins. |
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 28 2016 at 10:16
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Clinton/Kaine ------------- 
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: July 28 2016 at 10:19
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^ ditto ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 28 2016 at 10:32
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ditto x2 ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 28 2016 at 10:51
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Trump/Pence -------------   
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Posted By: TeleStrat
Date Posted: July 28 2016 at 11:48
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^ I'm with you Jose. I am firmly in the ABC camp (Anyone But Clinton). Hopefully, Trump can pull this one off and eliminate her (and her husband) from politics once and for all. If he surrounds himself with knowledgeable people (and listens to them) I think he can do much more good than harm. I certainly don't want four (or eight) more years of business as usual.
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: July 28 2016 at 12:14
| Stein. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 28 2016 at 12:28
Hi Gary, Well he will need to change his tone on speeches and such and start speaking to the Bernie voters who are now on the outside looking in and really hate Hillary, most are the younger crowd. He should send his kids out to speak to them, both Trump Jr and Ivanka are highly intelligent and I think can win those voters over, he will need those votes. I would feel better about people wanting a "democrat" in the WH rather than wanting Hillary in the WH, complete and utter non-sense and I struggle with people being OK with a family like that, and a husband who has done so many hurtful things to his wife over and over and over.....putrid people and a total disgrace to the highest office in the US. -------------
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TeleStrat wrote:Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 28 2016 at 13:02
I'm not going to argue politics and ideas, it's obvious there could be no agreement, but about the highlighted part... what the hell does that have to do with anything? -------------
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 28 2016 at 14:22
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^ Ethical behavior of the family.....She supposedly is for women's rights and all that and yet she lives with a man who has been accused of rape, as well as all the other stuff he has done to her and the family name. I too am not going to argue politics and ideas....but they are a horrid example of husband and wife who have done all this behavior while serving the public in elected positions. How on earth can you trust anyone with that kind of family and career history....Please explain that to me? This has nothing to do with politics, your right. -------------
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: July 28 2016 at 14:44
| Nixon/Agnew. |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 28 2016 at 14:45
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So you're going to vote for the three time married serial philanderer who cheated on his first two wives and thinks his daughter is hot enough to sleep with? Okey Dokey. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: July 28 2016 at 14:48
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Who wanted to sleep with his daughter? Nixon or Agnew? |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: July 28 2016 at 14:52
 Yes......to think that Trump has any decent moral values either is a stretch. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 28 2016 at 14:52
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: July 28 2016 at 14:57
------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: July 28 2016 at 14:58
So instead of voting for a woman who lives with a man accused of rape you want to vote to actually vote for a man accused of rape? |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 28 2016 at 15:28
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not to mention, all poltical rhetoric aside, who just tread a very fine line against treason. for what reason.. to win a f**king election. Perhaps that presser yesterday was the point we finally saw the spell break.. he had been able to get away saying things that no politican..much less a potential leader of this country could or should ever say. He may have finally crossed a line that even he could not.. is he really that stupid. OF course not.. just someone completely caught up in himself he loses good common sense. a great quality to have in a President heh... I'll take personal mistakes, of which Hillary has made plenty... over a completely over his head and unqualified failed business leader. Many of us have seen that.. perhaps this was finally the point that that the Hillary haters but non Trump believers finally decide that to hell with petty differences on Policy.. that man is fricking insane, unbalanced and a threat to the very country he wants to ..not lead... but rule by shear force of his personality. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 28 2016 at 15:34
Clearly neither is a shinning star, but only one has done all this while in public office without any remorse or as much as a hand slap, again the perception is the Clinton's will roll over anyone who stands in their way. IDC if Trump was married 10 times, at least at some point he/her realized it was time to end the marriage for whatever reason. Hillary and Bill are in it to keep the Clinton political train rolling to the WH, that has been the plan for many years, they need each other for that reason only. You cannot argue that how a person acts while working for the public vs working in the private sector are different, and those standards are what the Clinton's are not being held to. How many politicians have been forced out or stepped down when something they did was un-ethical?? But the Clinton's have not even thought about doing that, I am sure all they did was laugh in your faces all these years....People do not like Hillary because they cannot trust her, pretty simple. -------------
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: July 28 2016 at 15:37
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^I've never trusted any politician Jose. They are what they are. Is Trump somehow better? |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 28 2016 at 15:59
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I have zero issue with what Trump said about the deleted emails, it was a joke and I am sure it was not the first time someone has thought the same..How do we get those emails? And really what is the big concern, since supposedly the emails were all about personal stuff, nothing of security matters were in the 33,000 deleted emails?? But yet the Hillary camp made a point to state what Trump said would be a "national security issue"....Why? Maybe the Clinton camp is admitting some of those emails had work related content, which I am sure they did. Seems like Trump set out a bait hook and the Clinton camp chewed on it....... -------------
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 28 2016 at 16:13
100% agree......I am not making any case for him as candidate, only what we all know about Hillary Clinton and Bill as public officials. If Trump is elected I highly doubt he will do anything like what the Clinton's have done while in public office....Do you think he would? -------------
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: July 29 2016 at 03:54
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: July 29 2016 at 07:25
Johnston / Trudeau.  |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 29 2016 at 11:37
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: July 29 2016 at 12:25
By the time the election rolls around they should be fully demonized and ready for office. The three amigos.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 29 2016 at 12:44
Maybe down the road good friends Ivanka and Chelsea will be on the ticket together. I do think I'd vote for them (provided they had experience). ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: July 30 2016 at 02:20
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Giant meteor/Zombie. Actually for the first time in 36 years me and my now mandated state-issued ID card (thanks GOP) are going down to the polls not to vote for someone I believe in, but rather against a buffoon/anarchy. It sickens me that among our 330,000,000 citizens (and one Canadian senator), this is the best we can do. No matter what happens this president will have less of a popular mandate than any in history, except possibly Ford who wasn't even elected in the first place. Clinton/Kaine and hopefully all our 18 year olds won't be dead on a battlefield somewhere when we get a chance to get it right in 2020. ------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: July 30 2016 at 11:36
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Would be nice if all the justified hatred of each of the "major" party candidates could be used to back the only other candidate that could mathematically win but noooooooo, the ridiculous "a vote for him is a vote for..." bullsh*t has been so deeply ingrained in the mush-minds of the electorate we'll never break free of this republican/democrat nonsense. I'm aware Gary Johnson isn't a perfect candidate, by any means, but he sure as hell beats the neocon criminal the democrats are running and the ignorant fascist the republicans have selected. ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: September 03 2016 at 23:51
Seriously bro? ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: September 04 2016 at 00:00
Really? Sounds pretty good to me if that means another four to eight years of Obama politics. Careful what you wish for, it might happen. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 04 2016 at 02:37
The problem is not the partisan two-party "nonsense", it's the plurality voting system that creates a two-party system, not the other way around. Similarly the wasted-vote "bullsh*t" is a consequence of the voting system, not the mind-set of the voting public. It is also the voting system that creates and enables tactical voting, where voting for the lesser of two evils is always a safer bet than voting for any third candidate in avoiding the worst of two evils winning. First-past-the-post and other simple plurality systems also mean that gerrymandering and other 'legal' voter-manipulation methods work at all - these tactics are not just designed to ensure that a particular party wins, they also ensure that a third party remains in third place. All of these are "applied mathematics" and they negate any "theoretical mathematics" anyone may be using to convince anyone else that a third candidate could win - mathematically a third candidate can win 49.99% of the popular vote and still not win a single state. This is not the fault of the voting public and it is not born out of their ignorance, stupidity or blind allegiance to one of the two major parties. State Trump Clinton Johnson 1 51% 0% 49% 2 0% 51% 49% 3 0% 51% 49% 4 0% 51% 49% 5 51% 0% 49% 6 0% 51% 49% 7 51% 0% 49% 8 0% 51% 49% 9 0% 51% 49% 10 51% 0% 49% States won 4 6 0 Popular vote 20% 31% 49% [edit: If we extrapolate this to 50 states with Clinton winning 26 to Trump's 24 and Johnson coming 2nd in all of them then the popular vote percentages look even worse: Trump: 24%, Clinton 27% and Johnson 49%] So Clinton wins the Presidency by winning 60% of states despite only having 31% of the public voting for her. Johnson claims the moral victory but goes home with nothing. There is nothing here that will encourage either Republican or Democrats to change or reform the system because it works just fine for them, even the losing Republicans will want to retain the FPTP system because they won 40% of the states with only 20% of the popular vote. The same is true for House of Representative and Congress elections - Libertarians (or Greeens) can secure 49% of the popular vote without winning a single seat - this is not a system that the winning or second-place party will ever want to change. 'FPTP' guarantees that someone will win and in a Presidential election that is exactly the outcome that is required so alternatives are hard to find, the down-side is that President will always come from one of the two major parties because it is a plurality system. Therefore only viable way a third candidate can win is by their party becoming the one of the two major parties, and the reality of that is a long way off yet even with the apparent/alleged decline of either of them (and their candidates). Then, and only then, can they start winning states in a Presidential election. You cannot defeat this system in the ballot box, it can only be through electoral-reform, but as I have shown, neither Republicans nor Democrats would benefit from that so it will never happen. BUT - keep voting Libertarian, Green, Independent or spoil your ballot because that is your right, just don't blame the voters when your candidate does not win because it's not their fault, it's the system. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: September 04 2016 at 11:36
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^ What Dean said but with fuzzy animals ------------- https://aprilmaymarch.bandcamp.com/track/the-badger" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: TeleStrat
Date Posted: September 04 2016 at 14:27
I am not a fan of Obama's politics and less of a fan of Clinton's politics. I am a Conservative and have been since the late sixties. I don't get into many political discussions here because there is nothing anyone can say that will ever change my mind.
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: September 04 2016 at 17:47
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Careful what you wish for, it might happen: Not this time, that's for sure. How did you, keepers of all truths (republicans), let this clown...? ------------- |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: September 04 2016 at 22:24
I do have to say Trump could be, if he wanted, an excellent conservative candidate: he's smart, savvy, and can't really be bought 'cause he has all the money. On the other hand if he hadn't run on his current platform he probably wouldn't be the nominee. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: EddieRUKiddingVarese
Date Posted: September 04 2016 at 23:46
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Anyone for Putin ------------- "Everyone is born with genius, but most people only keep it a few minutes" and I need the knits, the double knits! |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: September 05 2016 at 00:09
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwj3656yyPfOAhUPwmMKHYbaAUUQjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnymag.com%2Fdaily%2Fintelligencer%2F2013%2F09%2Fputin-dog-photo-looks-like-russia.html&psig=AFQjCNH7yBB9FrcxDdh21_u_o235pE1qYQ&ust=1473142171652950" rel="nofollow"> ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: TeleStrat
Date Posted: September 05 2016 at 00:20
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^^^ I agree about Trump's platform. His "followers" already existed before he came along. They were waiting for any candidate who was bold enough to push their issues to the forefront during the primaries. Looking back at the original group of candidates I can't think of one that could have pulled it off the way Trump did. He is showing signs of settling down a bit and occasionally acting somewhat presidential. This has to be worrying the Clinton camp since they already have their hands full with those pesky email problems that just won't go away and the Clinton Foundation.
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Posted By: EddieRUKiddingVarese
Date Posted: September 05 2016 at 00:29
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same 
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: September 05 2016 at 10:45
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Oh, can't you just cancel your election and turn this country into a network of self-governing communities, like any reasonable and sensible people would do? |
Posted By: HemispheresOfXanadu
Date Posted: September 09 2016 at 11:20
------------- https://twitter.com/ProgFollower" rel="nofollow - @ProgFollower on Twitter. Tweet me muzak. |
Posted By: EddieRUKiddingVarese
Date Posted: November 16 2016 at 05:11
Woops  ------------- "Everyone is born with genius, but most people only keep it a few minutes" and I need the knits, the double knits! |