The creepy cult of modern faux liberalism

Well, it's what's being taught in the indoctrination centers...

Simon don't you sometimes have opinions instead of articles?

You can't take these nationalist groups seriously. The EDL et al are actually thugs who would if it came to it probably inturn all Muslims and make the lives of many innocent people a misery. They are openly fascist.

UKIP are mainly middle class English eccentrics trapped in the past, although Farrage did make one very good point about the migration build up in calais. When asked what he thought about conditions in the migrant camp, he said the Frnech could sought it out overnight by granting the migrants assylum, issuing them French passports then they could all come to UK legally anyway. No need for camps. No need to ris life and limb getting here.. I thought he had a point. But he's still generally a t**t.

Britain and the US have been on the march ever since 2001 in one form or another, and although it may be over simplified to say our foreign policy has led to terrorism, it is a factor. It doesn't excuse terrorism but may go some way to exlaining it.

Corbyn isn't friends with those groups, but he did try to engage with them in the same way that we engaged with Sinn Fein and for the same reasons he did; to find a path to peace. Beyond that his opponents have no leg to stand on if they were part of governments that cuddled up to dictators (including Saddam Hussein) Objecting to some of the platforms Corbyn has stood on stinks of massive hipocrisy on their part.

There are those who object to the English flag for all manner of silly reasons, but their numbers are fewer than the Daily Mail would you believe I'm sure

Matthew _Gill wrote: Blacksword wrote: Matthew _Gill wrote: My Liberal sister is always fast to point out that not all Muslims are bad after an Islamist created atrocity, fair enough. She rarely condemns their actions though - true Leftist! Maybe she thinks the condemnation goes withot saying. There is little value in everyone trying to out do each other with their personal outrage, justified though it is. Lberalism is also not exlsuively the preserve of the left. The hard left is extremely authoritarian. You get liberal conservatives. You get liberal socialists. My point in this thread is that the outraged, instantly offended, authoritarian upstarts demanding that this that and the other are banned, actually sit outside that left/right paradigm, despite what they may think. My Labour voting Brother and Sister both class themselves as Neo-Liberals and I believe their lack of empathy towards those affected by Islamism is due to them having Muslim friends who may get offended by any form of critique. Apart from those who align themselves with true fascists in the UAF/Hope not hate and deface war memorials, poppies and graves etc to spite the right, then I do feel sorry for the passive left, they seemed to have their hands tied.

Neo liberalism is a form of 'faux liberalism' IMO, because it adherents seem to support austerity, war and restrictions on speech. It's more in tune with the Blair side of the labour movement rather than the Corbyn side. IMO.



Edited by Blacksword - November 15 2015 at 07:44

Matthew _Gill wrote: My Liberal sister is always fast to point out that not all Muslims are bad after an Islamist created atrocity, fair enough. She rarely condemns their actions though - true Leftist!

Maybe she thinks the condemnation goes withot saying.

There is little value in everyone trying to out do each other with their personal outrage, justified though it is.

Lberalism is also not exlsuively the preserve of the left. The hard left is extremely authoritarian. You get liberal conservatives. You get liberal socialists. My point in this thread is that the outraged, instantly offended, authoritarian upstarts demanding that this that and the other are banned, actually sit outside that left/right paradigm, despite what they may think.

Here you go. A bit more 'real' liberal whinging about outdated concepts like free speech and tolerance etc.. (that was sarcasm)

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/13/ban-germaine-greer-universities-free-speech?CMP=fb_gu

Pastmaster wrote: I'm out too, I need to remember my own words: 'Politics has no place on a music forum'

I will repeat what I said earlier. This isn't a music forum, it's a general discussions forum. If there is a consensus that political discussion shouldn't be allowed, then the admins should be petitioned to ban it. Doesn't sound very healthy to me, but if that turned out to be what most people wanted I would support it. That's democracy.

Ironically....

well, I guess we've settled that one, so I'm going to bed.  sleep well.

^ feel free to start one, it's been a long day and I don't feel up to taking on anything that controversial.

I was just going by your statement: