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Poll Question: Who is the most overrated band of the 'Big Six'?
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    Posted: May 10 2023 at 04:44
I'm not much of a reviewer, I don't particularly enjoy it, so I stick to other activities. My ratings are taken from my Gnosis profile where I've rated all the album I own.

Edited by Nogbad_The_Bad - May 10 2023 at 04:46
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

I did a quick check of my personal album rankings of the top 4 albums by each of the Big 6 and how they compared to the general PA ratings.

Here are the average number of stars higher or lower that the average my ratings are:-

Yes -0.11
Genesis -0.71
King Crimson +0.19
Jethro Tull -0.15
ELP -0.95
Pink Floyd -0.19

So I rate ELP roughly one star lower than average so they are my personal most overrated. Genesis come in second for me nearly 3/4 of a star lower than average.

Curious, I went to check your reviews and so far you've only reviewed 2 symphonic prog albums and neither of then are by ELP, Yes or Genesis . In fact I struggled to find your reviews for any of the top six. I note you gave 5 stars to Pink Floyd -Wish You Were Here which I heartily agree with! I tend to disregard ratings with no reviews in all honestly. I like to see the reasoning behind 1 or 2 stars. I get that you may not have the time of course and would rather stick to bands that need more coverage which is commendable.
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I did a quick check of my personal album rankings of the top 4 albums by each of the Big 6 and how they compared to the general PA ratings.

Here are the average number of stars higher or lower that the average my ratings are:-

Yes -0.11
Genesis -0.71
King Crimson +0.19
Jethro Tull -0.15
ELP -0.95
Pink Floyd -0.19

So I rate ELP roughly one star lower than average so they are my personal most overrated. Genesis come in second for me nearly 3/4 of a star lower than average.
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It's a really good point, based on ELP's size and popularity in the 70's they are an absolute lock for a Big 6. But when it comes to overrated you are talking about how you personally feel about their music compared to the general population. In this case specifically the PA membership. 

I absolutely accept ELP as a member of the Big 6 I just don't personally rate their albums as highly as others in comparison to how highly I rate the other 5 of the Big 6. Therefore the most overrated of the Big 6 for me personally.
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

"Big" here just refers to popularity so JT fits the criteria, like it or not. Smile

These kinds of misunderstandings always occur any time anyone brings up the big six anywhere online. Lots of people seem to read it as an explicit endorsement on the part of the OP. It's frustrating, because for all its flaws, the big six is a genuinely useful concept when examining the commercial and cultural impact of first wave UK prog, but any time it comes up someone is guaranteed to start suggesting bands that "ought" to be included, thus completely missing the point of the concept.
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Originally posted by Boi_da_boi_124 Boi_da_boi_124 wrote:

For me, I believe the most overrated of the six is Jethro Tull. I have no hate towards them at all ('Thick As A Brick' is one of my favorite albums of all time), it's just that I think they didn't influence prog as a whole better than any of the other five.

"Big" here just refers to popularity so JT fits the criteria, like it or not. Smile
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For me, I believe the most overrated of the six is Jethro Tull. I have no hate towards them at all ('Thick As A Brick' is one of my favorite albums of all time), it's just that I think they didn't influence prog as a whole better than any of the other five.
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For me , King Crimson and Yes are the most over-rated. Far too much of their music sounds to me to be clever for the sake of cleverness, rather than having artistic merit. 
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Jethro Tull should not be on this list. I love ELP and I am not surprised that some don't enjoy their bombastic style. I would put VDGG instead of JT. I don't care much about whether some bands are overrated. I am sticking with my Big 6 until the end. So JT is my choice for this poll.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Regarding having too much fun with ELP, I know that I like plenty of bands had fun in the music... Focus' Hamburger Concerto was one of my first Prog loves, and I still love it. Or Magma with Attahk, but there is something distasteful about ELP's (particularly Emerson) show-offery, which makes it comes off as yobbish. And I use sexual innuendo, and can be crude, but things like Taste of My Love and a title like Brain Salad Surgery leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I do think that if ELP came across as more refined then they would be more highly regarded by the Prognoscenti. They commonly are seen more as showmen, quite in your face ones, more than serious musicians and composers. Being an introvert, and very reserved in public (I have social anxiety), I have trouble identifying with them -- come across as too rowdy and crude for me. And honestly, In the Hot Seat is so terrible and the lyrics of Daddy are horrible. They were never nearing consistently good to my ears, but I really do like some ELP music, and enjoy the debut mostly.

'Yobbish' is a new one on me. Lyrically ELP can be dismissed mostly yet Trilogy is actually a prety stand up album in that dept. Lake was good with semi religious themes and showed that on Endless Enigma well enough. However ELP knew they were basically a festival band and the main attraction. BSS is my favourite album and for many years I had no comprehension of the connection to the sexual act that it referenced. It just sounded cool. Apparently the record company had to remove the shaft of light on the album cover that Giger and ELP had wanted to be left in!
I think my main point is that the theatrics detracted from just how good their music was and that seems to have left a hole somehow. I dream that in a hundred years ELP's early music will be regarded in the same way as classical music is. That is actually what Emerson really wanted. Btw In The Hot Seat is abominable, ELP were totally 'gone' by that point.
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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

They're all overrated, but not by me. So, who did it? Ermm


Oh, well, I agree LOL

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They're all overrated, but not by me. So, who did it? Ermm



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Originally posted by bardberic bardberic wrote:

I went to a record store and overheard some woman talking to her daughter about the "underrated band, Pink Floyd," and that their most "underrated album is Animals." During my first year at university, in my required writing 101 class, there was a student who wrote an essay on "Pink Floyd, the most underrated band ever" and how Animals is "their absolute most underrated album." Ad f**king infinitum.


I agree that it's silly to call Pink Floyd, one of the most popular bands in the history of music, underrated. But one thing to consider is that Pink Floyd is know by almost everyone for their radio-friendly output, e.g., those couple singles from The Wall, the title track on WYWH, Money, etc. There's probably many people who don't know much Floyd beyond this, and I certainly get the impression that, despite being an album in their most popular era, Animals isn't that well known among the average non-fan, unlike the other albums from 1973-1979. I've had people react surprised when I put on some more unknown Floyd ("really? that's Pink Floyd?"). Also, you could definitely call their 60's output underrated, IMO.

I mean, I still wouldn't call Floyd underrated obviously.

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It also doesn't help that most Pink FLoyd fans are like Tool fans - they don't stfu about the artist and will relentlessly call them the greatest band ever. Music that changed their life. Etc.

Well, they're one of the most popular bands ever...what do you expect? You could say the same about Beatles fans.

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Don't take it so literally. It's just an observation: ELP and VdGG are typically two of the more polarizing bands - while Genesis and Yes aren't, thats all.
Yeah, exactly. They're a more acquired taste, and as such, you're going to have more people who just can't stand them. You probably won't find as many people who absolutely can't stand Genesis, Floyd or Renaissance or what have you. Some artists when people don't like them they just feel ambivalent or bored, and some it's more of an active dislike. Like, I'm a huge Zappa fan, but I'm not going to pretend there's probably a lot of people who won't be able to stand the majority of his stuff. Some artists are just like that.


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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

^ I agree but
Originally posted by Stressed Cheese Stressed Cheese wrote:

Not to mention that I'm sure there are as many prog fans who absolutely can't stand VdGG than those who love them.
that's a thing VdGG and ELP have in common.

Well, I'm not sure that there are many prog fans who absolutely cant satnd VdGG than those who love them.
Don't take it so literally. It's just an observation: ELP and VdGG are typically two of the more polarizing bands - while Genesis and Yes aren't, thats all.
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As the discussion went on without including my reply to richardh ("lost" at the bottom of the previous page):
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

richardh "Can showing off never serve the music in any way?"
-Probably from your perspective, but maybe not for me? I'm only speaking from my point of view - which Im fully aware I is pretty much the same angle most everyone criticizes ELP from btw. It's not even critique. I was mainly explaining where I'm coming from and that I'm not hopping on a "pile on ELP-trend". As you already know these two different kinds of progfans, isn't anything new.

Showing off on your instrument, taking up too much space while contributing with nothing of substance or whatever - has always rubbed me the wrong way. Whether it's John McLaughlin, Jaco Pastorious or Keith Emerson doing it. I guess maybe in classical music I let it pass easier - as I take less notice of it (but I don't really listen to Mozart much either).

Showing off serves the music for those who enjoy listening to artists showing off. I like many, don't belong in the former group of fans. I find flashy solos bothersome and annoying, if not always - say nine out of ten times. It's about preferences, so neither richardh or I am wrong - or right.


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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

I'm sticking with the Monkees. I have no idea why prog fans drool over them.

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^ Because Mike could pluck a mean string and Davy was cute as a button. 

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I'm sticking with the Monkees. I have no idea why prog fans drool over them.
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ VDGG would never qualify as one of the "Big Six" - not even for a fan - as almost everyone I know only associates Van der Graaf Generator with something that makes your hair stand on end, although I could say the same thing about the Pawn Hearts album too. Tongue

You mean Van der Graaf Generator is a hair dryer?
With the tremendous build up of static electricity from a Van der Graaf Generator, it's more likely to fry your hair than dry your hair. Tongue


I guess this is just the reason I love Hammill!LOL
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A toss-up between the Pink Floyd and ELP. I went with Floyd due to Dark Side of the Moon. None of the ELP albums are pushed and celebrated like that overrated poop.

There's no notable sense of ego with ELP, but there sure is/was with PF.


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