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Poll Question: Do you think, personally, that CttE is the best prog song ever?
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18 [26.87%]
42 [62.69%]
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    Posted: August 17 2015 at 09:20
One of many great tracks by classic prog bands , but for me it's too long which is the same problem I have with TFTO and Suppers Ready. I like the music on those ,but  I tend to prefer the shorter epics from 9-12 min long that don't overstay their welcome.
Not sure what my favorite 'epic' is but for repeated listening on a desert island I wouldn't choose CTTE.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2015 at 06:24
" . . . it is up there with the other greats."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2015 at 13:04
Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

Originally posted by Progosopher Progosopher wrote:

Definitely one of the contenders, and a top one at that.  But absolute best?  I prefer to avoid such terms unless I can declare others as best as well.  Depends on criteria.

Well said, and I should add there's not an absolute best prog song, or classical piece, jazz, blues, etc. Personally you might prefer one over the others, and that's fine, but absolute is a very radical term, and hardly one that everybody will agree upon.
 
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We constantly see this sort of approach in the modern day.  We have lost sight of the fact that such lists in the past were merely means of promotion.  I watched a run-down of the top musical screams on MTV many years ago when they were still showing music videos.  The late comic Sam Kinneson won.  His parody song was on rotation at the time, as were most of those in contention.  No Child in Time or Won't Get Fooled Again.  Ancient history.  The problem is that now we too often take such an approach as legitimate.  To an extent, I am just about as guilty as anyone for I frequently view lists.  I rarely take them seriously, but I do like to see who places where in the listing.  Favorites are one thing, but, as is implied, objectively the best?  Even with clear criteria, that is debatable.  Still, CTTE is a great song.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2015 at 11:16
Option #3 for me. I would grant the title to Supper's Ready instead. But the album on which it resides is the best prog album ever - in my book.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2015 at 09:40
Originally posted by GKR GKR wrote:

I'll have to be very straight (whaaat?!) about this: I dont believe that there is one best album or one best song of all times. There is multiple of best somethings, always depending on the reference you're using.

Man, this sicks me. What is the problem of have a great variety of things we like without making so many lists and putting one thing on top of other things!? What is this? A Monty Python skecth? Oh, it is...

See, Battle of Albums? Quite fun. List of better albums? Fun if you use it without loosing your head. But putting one thing in a pantheon and then EVERYTHING ELSE below... man... no... lets not go there. I believe that this is one of the most beautiful songs of music, so, if we put CTTE high there, is this one inferior?

All of this to say: is Close to the Edge one of the most beautiful, great, paradigmatic and awesome song of progressive music? Yes, no doubt. It is the best song ever? I dont believe in such a thing.

Thing is, sometimes you just listen to a song and realize that you DO, in fact, like it more than all the other songs you know. Other times you think to yourself "I don't think anyone could come up with something that affects me this deeply/ appeals to me this much/ is as beautiful as this". 

I used to obsess over listing things and putting things above one another. Then I realized that you can't ever be totally satisfied with that kind of practice, as there will always something you left out or put too low on the list. Not only that, but I realized that there is no point whatsoever. Not being able to put a song on your list shouldn't take away from your listening experience and making these countdowns and the sort is only a burden on that front.

With your "favourite song" or "the song you consider the best", that's not the case. There is no extra effort spent on trying to fit it into one position, and you don't think of it as "putting all the other ones below"; you've simply been touched by a song in places never before touched, and after a while you start taking note of these sensations before you ultimately decide that this is your favourite song

That's been my experience anyway, and that's what makes it all the more entertaining for me. Close to the Edge, to me, is the best song of all time, and that's just fine.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2015 at 09:29
When I listen to it, Close to the Edge is THE best prog song ever -- at that moment. However, I can say that about several hundred other songs that just blow me away when I listen to them. It's ludicrous for me to try to decide what is the best song when it's impossible to truly compare Brand X to Yes to Renaissance to Porcupine Tree to Genesis to Frank Zappa etc.
Each great band has its own identity, and every great band has songs that when you're done listening to them, you are blown away. I could list hundreds, perhaps thousands of examples of 10/10 songs without even taxing my brain, and have no way of deciding which I like best. I like them all best.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2015 at 08:21
To paraphrase John Lennon, tt's not even the best song on the "Close To The Edge" album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2015 at 08:19
Originally posted by Progosopher Progosopher wrote:

Definitely one of the contenders, and a top one at that.  But absolute best?  I prefer to avoid such terms unless I can declare others as best as well.  Depends on criteria.

Well said, and I should add there's not an absolute best prog song, or classical piece, jazz, blues, etc. Personally you might prefer one over the others, and that's fine, but absolute is a very radical term, and hardly one that everybody will agree upon.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2015 at 08:10
it's usually number 1 for me, but a quite a few epics are up there too along with some shorter tracks too. so option 2 for me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2015 at 05:57
Originally posted by WrytXander WrytXander wrote:

Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Absolutely not.

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Yes were always a bunch of people with too much ego to work together properly, not on the level of ELP but getting there, and as a consequence I find their music incredibly dull. Close to the Edge is no exception to this.

Unlike albums, I find it really difficult to compare indavidual songs for some reason. There's a whole host that I'd put at the absolute top level but seperating between them becomes almost impossible for me. Strangely enough, I never have this trouble with albums, according to my tastes Kayo Dot's Chois of the Eye s the best album I've ever heard and I have no trouble coming to this conclusion.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2015 at 05:44
CttE is much like the four options in this poll - none of the parts are perfect nor well constructed but somehow have managed to be crashed together into some semblance of order (coincidentally, not unlike the "classic" Yes line-up). It's not the best prog song ever nor do I believe that it is "up there with other greats" but I don't think it is bad, (the weight of popular opinion suggests it is far from bad even if I don't personally like it a great deal). Yes did better songs than this and better epics/long-suites.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2015 at 05:31
That song is a bit the mess, going in many directions and embracing different genres. In brief it's all that I like in the musical journey : the disorientation and the unpredictable. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2015 at 04:43
Great song,but Awaken and Gates of Delerium are superior,and South Side of the Sky is a gem too!The best prog song ever? Starless maybe?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2015 at 04:41
Archetypal prog rock; top 3 for me!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2015 at 03:05
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2015 at 02:16
Probably.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2015 at 01:19
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2015 at 01:03
One of the most popular, well loved prog epics, yes.  Personally I'd take either of Echoes or Starless over it every single day. Also, Supper's Ready, Mumps, Tarkus, Kontarkohz pt-2 etc etc.  Yeah, I do like CTTE but it doesn't necessarily overwhelm me to the point of tears and all that.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2015 at 01:03
Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:


No, but it's up there.


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Personally, I prefer Awaken.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2015 at 00:57
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:


One of more defining.. yet at the same time moth eaten prog cliches is the side long epic. Of course other groups had tried them before. Some were just extended instrumental jams where structure and composition were an afterthought. Most were of the cut and paste variety. Song vignettes of several minutes apiece strung together with instrumental bridges. What made Close to the Edge so powerful.. and at the same time so ..progressive was that it was a single 19 minute composition. The dangers inherent in that are obvious if you take any time at all to consider the music.. and the prospective audience. There is no way to quantify musical quality.. or is there? The proof is in the numbers.. and in the logic. Take a piece like Supper's Ready that some would proclaim to greatest side-long ever. Say there is a piece that doesn't really catch the listeners ear.. it is no problem.. Willow Farm is right around the corner. By the time you've grabbed a ham sandwich.. the musical context has changed. The listener is happy and goes on his merry way. With Close to the Edge.. not so fast. If the merry men of Yes hadn't paid extreme attention to perfection on that song and crafting a near flawless piece of music you would have been left with 19 minutes of sheer boredom.

A single 19 minute composition? Well...

I'm aware of tellings of the album's composition and recording process that say that the four main sections of the eventual suite were all being worked on independent of one another. Bruford has gone on record mentioning something about it being assembled in sections of oh-so-many bars, ten, twelve, sixteen. But the main thing is that the band was stuck in a rut, and I'm told that Offord managed to break their compositional block by encouraging them to assemble those ideas into a single side long suite - "Close To The Edge". Listening to the differences between the intro, the first verse section, and "I Get Up...", this makes sense to me.

So the suite's greatness seems to lie not in it being a single composition, but a series of five vignettes that they managed to stitch together to make it seem like it was a single composition from the start - something like if Doctor Frankenstein had fashioned himself an Adonis, with the stitches practically invisible.

And that's probably a greater feat than just fashioning a true single composition.
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