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Topic: Close to the Edge: Best prog song ever?
Posted By: WrytXander
Subject: Close to the Edge: Best prog song ever?
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 11:28
Simple question. You're free to base it off of personal preference or an objective point of view.

It's my favourite song of all time so option 1 for me.


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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 12:09
Up there with the other greats, but you didn't need the Definitely not-part first.


Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 12:27
'up there with the other greats'


Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 12:27
Definitely one of the contenders, and a top one at that.  But absolute best?  I prefer to avoid such terms unless I can declare others as best as well.  Depends on criteria.

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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 12:42
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Up there with the other greats, but you didn't need the Definitely not-part first.
^This, too hard line a description.


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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 13:49
Absolutely not.


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 14:13
hard to say if it is.. but you know what ...  harder still to try to think of one that might be more than Close to the Edge would be.  Really only Tarkus comes to immediately mind of the right mix of import, influence, quality and lasting appeal.One those even non prog fans knew and loved. 

One was the greatest (without a shread of a doubt because of was the very few to attempt a single 18 minute song.. most epics were of the 'cut and paste' variety and Tarkus is one of the greatest, if not THE of those types.  Because of what it was... an 18 minute prog POP song.. I'd definitely say yes..

Close to the Edge


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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 14:49
It's good, but there are many better.

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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 14:50
It's good, but there are many better.

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Posted By: WrytXander
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 15:01
Ehh, "Definitely not" sounded reasonable at the time of creating this poll. Just disregard that if you can.

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Posted By: WrytXander
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 15:03
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

hard to say if it is.. but you know what ...  harder still to try to think of one that might be more than Close to the Edge would be.  Really only Tarkus comes to immediately mind of the right mix of import, influence, quality and lasting appeal.One those even non prog fans knew and loved. 

One was the greatest (without a shread of a doubt because of was the very few to attempt a single 18 minute song.. most epics were of the 'cut and paste' variety and Tarkus is one of the greatest, if not THE of those types.  Because of what it was... an 18 minute prog POP song.. I'd definitely say yes..

Close to the Edge

So you're with me in thinking that it's the best, or do you prefer Tarkus?

I personally prefer 10 other songs to Tarkus, including ELP's very own Karn Evil 9. I see the points you're making though, nice choices Smile


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Posted By: WrytXander
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 15:04
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Absolutely not.

Care to justify or offer your pick? You don't have to of course, but it helps move things forward Big smile


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Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 15:05
No, but it is up there.

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 15:11
Originally posted by WrytXander WrytXander wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

hard to say if it is.. but you know what ...  harder still to try to think of one that might be more than Close to the Edge would be.  Really only Tarkus comes to immediately mind of the right mix of import, influence, quality and lasting appeal.One those even non prog fans knew and loved. 

One was the greatest (without a shread of a doubt because of was the very few to attempt a single 18 minute song.. most epics were of the 'cut and paste' variety and Tarkus is one of the greatest, if not THE of those types.  Because of what it was... an 18 minute prog POP song.. I'd definitely say yes..

Close to the Edge

So you're with me in thinking that it's the best, or do you prefer Tarkus?

I personally prefer 10 other songs to Tarkus, including ELP's very own Karn Evil 9. I see the points you're making though, nice choices Smile


oh definitely Close to the Edge.. one could argue till the cows come home.. for years.. what was the best 'cut and paste' prog epic.. I think it Tarkus but it is highly open to debate...but there is no debate which is the more challenging.. for also it was the least atttempted.. to do an 18 minute long SONG.. a single composition. Not an insturmenta jam not a long song made of bits of other songs..l.. but actual song with.. yes.. a pop song structure with the intro/verse/chorus/verse/chorus/middle8/instrumental-break/verse/chorus/outro forma.

brillaint.. and so the question stands.. what other prog song can touch that.. even adding on top the instrumental brillaince of Yes.  Best composition... typical Yes brilliiance on the performance side. 

A no brainer actually...


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Posted By: Kirillov
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 17:12
Errmmm... it's OK, but there are many better prog songs for me. So no vote, 'cos I wouldn't say it's bad.


Posted By: t d wombat
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 17:21
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by WrytXander WrytXander wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

hard to say if it is.. but you know what ...  harder still to try to think of one that might be more than Close to the Edge would be.  Really only Tarkus comes to immediately mind of the right mix of import, influence, quality and lasting appeal.One those even non prog fans knew and loved. 

One was the greatest (without a shread of a doubt because of was the very few to attempt a single 18 minute song.. most epics were of the 'cut and paste' variety and Tarkus is one of the greatest, if not THE of those types.  Because of what it was... an 18 minute prog POP song.. I'd definitely say yes..

Close to the Edge

So you're with me in thinking that it's the best, or do you prefer Tarkus?

I personally prefer 10 other songs to Tarkus, including ELP's very own Karn Evil 9. I see the points you're making though, nice choices Smile


oh definitely Close to the Edge.. one could argue till the cows come home.. for years.. what was the best 'cut and paste' prog epic.. I think it Tarkus but it is highly open to debate...but there is no debate which is the more challenging.. for also it was the least atttempted.. to do an 18 minute long SONG.. a single composition. Not an insturmenta jam not a long song made of bits of other songs..l.. but actual song with.. yes.. a pop song structure with the intro/verse/chorus/verse/chorus/middle8/instrumental-break/verse/chorus/outro forma.

brillaint.. and so the question stands.. what other prog song can touch that.. even adding on top the instrumental brillaince of Yes.  Best composition... typical Yes brilliiance on the performance side. 

A no brainer actually...


Pretty much on the money there mate. One of my all time favourites that is for sure, and most assuredly one of the most important but 'best' may well be too hard to quantify.

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Posted By: Xonty
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 17:48
It's not my favourite, and has a pretty weak structure if you compare it to Siberian Khatru for example. If there was a poll, I reckon songs like Supper's Ready/Firth Of Fifth, Shine On, and Schizoid Man would come out on top, but it could easily be called the best Yes song.


Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 17:55
I'll have to be very straight (whaaat?!) about this: I dont believe that there is one best album or one best song of all times. There is multiple of best somethings, always depending on the reference you're using.

Man, this sicks me. What is the problem of have a great variety of things we like without making so many lists and putting one thing on top of other things!? What is this? A Monty Python skecth? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ixeRWrg0yg" rel="nofollow - Oh, it is ...

See, Battle of Albums? Quite fun. List of better albums? Fun if you use it without loosing your head. But putting one thing in a pantheon and then EVERYTHING ELSE below... man... no... lets not go there. I believe that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXws0RYLo4A" rel="nofollow - this is one of the most beautiful songs of music, so, if we put CTTE high there, is this one inferior?

All of this to say: is Close to the Edge one of the most beautiful, great, paradigmatic and awesome song of progressive music? Yes, no doubt. It is the best song ever? I dont believe in such a thing.


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Posted By: A_Flower
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 18:18
Great song, but it's just that one that's ALWAYS number one. For a while I didn't really like it, but I do now. Anyway, Awaken is the greatest prog rock song ever


Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 21:11
And You and I is a better song, and that's on the same album. Wink

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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 21:18
Up there but I'd pick 10 or 20 ahead of it

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Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 21:39
I think many more are of higher caliber. Gates of Delirium comes to mind.

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Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 22:20
Probably is because there is not a wasted note--it's all perfect. But Supper's Ready moves me just as much.And Gates and Awaken are pretty near perfect too.


Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 22:38
No, but it's up there.

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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 23:07
Originally posted by Xonty Xonty wrote:

It's not my favourite, and has a pretty weak structure if you compare it to Siberian Khatru for example. If there was a poll, I reckon songs like Supper's Ready/Firth Of Fifth, Shine On, and Schizoid Man would come out on top, but it could easily be called the best Yes song.


I've done polls with other songs against CttE, and indeed I believe CttE would beat just about any song you try to put it against. The only ones I believe can give it a good battle are Supper's Ready (and I think it has beaten Supper's Ready, but then again if the poll is done again the results might be different) and Echoes (I think I once put this three songs together in one poll, and Echoes actually won, but then again, put only CttE and Echoes and the way the poll goes might change).


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 23:14
yeah man.. a lot of nos.. and little in the way of examples much less reasons why anything could or did top the execution and performance of CTTE.

put it his way as some sh*thead reviewer once did...


One of more defining.. yet at the same time moth eaten prog cliches is the side long epic. Of course other groups had tried them before. Some were just extended instrumental jams where structure and composition were an afterthought. Most were of the cut and paste variety. Song vignettes of several minutes apiece strung together with instrumental bridges. What made Close to the Edge so powerful.. and at the same time so ..progressive was that it was a single 19 minute composition. The dangers inherent in that are obvious if you take any time at all to consider the music.. and the prospective audience. There is no way to quantify musical quality.. or is there? The proof is in the numbers.. and in the logic. Take a piece like Supper's Ready that some would proclaim to greatest side-long ever. Say there is a piece that doesn't really catch the listeners ear.. it is no problem.. Willow Farm is right around the corner. By the time you've grabbed a ham sandwich.. the musical context has changed. The listener is happy and goes on his merry way. With Close to the Edge.. not so fast. If the merry men of Yes hadn't paid extreme attention to perfection on that song and crafting a near flawless piece of music you would have been left with 19 minutes of sheer boredom.

Close to the Edge is nothing more earthshaking than possibly the world's first..hell maybe only 19 minute long pop song. Complete with the intro/verse/chorus/verse/chorus/middle8/instrumental-break/verse/chorus/outro format that supposedly seperates prog from lesser forms of music hahaha. While everyone went on thinking that standard popular song formats would only support 2 or 3 minute long songs.. Yes showed that the standard pop format could support complex and sustained melodies. The trick of it again.. to pull it off it had to be all about quality. Otherwise.. you would have to aural equivilant of having 19 minutes of 'My Heart Will Go On: Love Theme from Titanic' pumped into your brain. Even with the kick ass rickenbacker.. I suspect that would not be enough to hold on to many listeners.



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Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: August 16 2015 at 00:57
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:


One of more defining.. yet at the same time moth eaten prog cliches is the side long epic. Of course other groups had tried them before. Some were just extended instrumental jams where structure and composition were an afterthought. Most were of the cut and paste variety. Song vignettes of several minutes apiece strung together with instrumental bridges. What made Close to the Edge so powerful.. and at the same time so ..progressive was that it was a single 19 minute composition. The dangers inherent in that are obvious if you take any time at all to consider the music.. and the prospective audience. There is no way to quantify musical quality.. or is there? The proof is in the numbers.. and in the logic. Take a piece like Supper's Ready that some would proclaim to greatest side-long ever. Say there is a piece that doesn't really catch the listeners ear.. it is no problem.. Willow Farm is right around the corner. By the time you've grabbed a ham sandwich.. the musical context has changed. The listener is happy and goes on his merry way. With Close to the Edge.. not so fast. If the merry men of Yes hadn't paid extreme attention to perfection on that song and crafting a near flawless piece of music you would have been left with 19 minutes of sheer boredom.

A single 19 minute composition? Well...

I'm aware of tellings of the album's composition and recording process that say that the four main sections of the eventual suite were all being worked on independent of one another. Bruford has gone on record mentioning something about it being assembled in sections of oh-so-many bars, ten, twelve, sixteen. But the main thing is that the band was stuck in a rut, and I'm told that Offord managed to break their compositional block by encouraging them to assemble those ideas into a single side long suite - "Close To The Edge". Listening to the differences between the intro, the first verse section, and "I Get Up...", this makes sense to me.

So the suite's greatness seems to lie not in it being a single composition, but a series of five vignettes that they managed to stitch together to make it seem like it was a single composition from the start - something like if Doctor Frankenstein had fashioned himself an Adonis, with the stitches practically invisible.

And that's probably a greater feat than just fashioning a true single composition.


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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: August 16 2015 at 01:03
Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:


No, but it's up there.


This.

Personally, I prefer Awaken.

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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: August 16 2015 at 01:03
One of the most popular, well loved prog epics, yes.  Personally I'd take either of Echoes or Starless over it every single day. Also, Supper's Ready, Mumps, Tarkus, Kontarkohz pt-2 etc etc.  Yeah, I do like CTTE but it doesn't necessarily overwhelm me to the point of tears and all that.


Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: August 16 2015 at 01:19
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha


Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: August 16 2015 at 02:16
Probably.

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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: August 16 2015 at 03:05
#3.


Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: August 16 2015 at 04:41
Archetypal prog rock; top 3 for me!

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Posted By: the lighthouse keepe
Date Posted: August 16 2015 at 04:43
Great song,but Awaken and Gates of Delerium are superior,and South Side of the Sky is a gem too!The best prog song ever? Starless maybe?

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Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: August 16 2015 at 05:31
That song is a bit the mess, going in many directions and embracing different genres. In brief it's all that I like in the musical journey : the disorientation and the unpredictable. 


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 16 2015 at 05:44
CttE is much like the four options in this poll - none of the parts are perfect nor well constructed but somehow have managed to be crashed together into some semblance of order (coincidentally, not unlike the "classic" Yes line-up). It's not the best prog song ever nor do I believe that it is "up there with other greats" but I don't think it is bad, (the weight of popular opinion suggests it is far from bad even if I don't personally like it a great deal). Yes did better songs than this and better epics/long-suites.

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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: August 16 2015 at 05:57
Originally posted by WrytXander WrytXander wrote:

Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Absolutely not.

Care to justify or offer your pick? You don't have to of course, but it helps move things forward Big smile

Yes were always a bunch of people with too much ego to work together properly, not on the level of ELP but getting there, and as a consequence I find their music incredibly dull. Close to the Edge is no exception to this.

Unlike albums, I find it really difficult to compare indavidual songs for some reason. There's a whole host that I'd put at the absolute top level but seperating between them becomes almost impossible for me. Strangely enough, I never have this trouble with albums, according to my tastes Kayo Dot's Chois of the Eye s the best album I've ever heard and I have no trouble coming to this conclusion.


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Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: August 16 2015 at 08:10
it's usually number 1 for me, but a quite a few epics are up there too along with some shorter tracks too. so option 2 for me.

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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: August 16 2015 at 08:19
Originally posted by Progosopher Progosopher wrote:

Definitely one of the contenders, and a top one at that.  But absolute best?  I prefer to avoid such terms unless I can declare others as best as well.  Depends on criteria.

Well said, and I should add there's not an absolute best prog song, or classical piece, jazz, blues, etc. Personally you might prefer one over the others, and that's fine, but absolute is a very radical term, and hardly one that everybody will agree upon.


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: August 16 2015 at 08:21
To paraphrase John Lennon, tt's not even the best song on the "Close To The Edge" album.


Posted By: progmatic
Date Posted: August 16 2015 at 09:29
When I listen to it, Close to the Edge is THE best prog song ever -- at that moment. However, I can say that about several hundred other songs that just blow me away when I listen to them. It's ludicrous for me to try to decide what is the best song when it's impossible to truly compare Brand X to Yes to Renaissance to Porcupine Tree to Genesis to Frank Zappa etc.
Each great band has its own identity, and every great band has songs that when you're done listening to them, you are blown away. I could list hundreds, perhaps thousands of examples of 10/10 songs without even taxing my brain, and have no way of deciding which I like best. I like them all best.


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Posted By: WrytXander
Date Posted: August 16 2015 at 09:40
Originally posted by GKR GKR wrote:

I'll have to be very straight (whaaat?!) about this: I dont believe that there is one best album or one best song of all times. There is multiple of best somethings, always depending on the reference you're using.

Man, this sicks me. What is the problem of have a great variety of things we like without making so many lists and putting one thing on top of other things!? What is this? A Monty Python skecth? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ixeRWrg0yg" rel="nofollow - Oh, it is ...

See, Battle of Albums? Quite fun. List of better albums? Fun if you use it without loosing your head. But putting one thing in a pantheon and then EVERYTHING ELSE below... man... no... lets not go there. I believe that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXws0RYLo4A" rel="nofollow - this is one of the most beautiful songs of music, so, if we put CTTE high there, is this one inferior?

All of this to say: is Close to the Edge one of the most beautiful, great, paradigmatic and awesome song of progressive music? Yes, no doubt. It is the best song ever? I dont believe in such a thing.

Thing is, sometimes you just listen to a song and realize that you DO, in fact, like it more than all the other songs you know. Other times you think to yourself "I don't think anyone could come up with something that affects me this deeply/ appeals to me this much/ is as beautiful as this". 

I used to obsess over listing things and putting things above one another. Then I realized that you can't ever be totally satisfied with that kind of practice, as there will always something you left out or put too low on the list. Not only that, but I realized that there is no point whatsoever. Not being able to put a song on your list shouldn't take away from your listening experience and making these countdowns and the sort is only a burden on that front.

With your "favourite song" or "the song you consider the best", that's not the case. There is no extra effort spent on trying to fit it into one position, and you don't think of it as "putting all the other ones below"; you've simply been touched by a song in places never before touched, and after a while you start taking note of these sensations before you ultimately decide that this is your favourite song

That's been my experience anyway, and that's what makes it all the more entertaining for me. Close to the Edge, to me, is the best song of all time, and that's just fine.


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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: August 16 2015 at 11:16
Option #3 for me. I would grant the title to Supper's Ready instead. But the album on which it resides is the best prog album ever - in my book.

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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: August 16 2015 at 13:04
Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

Originally posted by Progosopher Progosopher wrote:

Definitely one of the contenders, and a top one at that.  But absolute best?  I prefer to avoid such terms unless I can declare others as best as well.  Depends on criteria.

Well said, and I should add there's not an absolute best prog song, or classical piece, jazz, blues, etc. Personally you might prefer one over the others, and that's fine, but absolute is a very radical term, and hardly one that everybody will agree upon.
 
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We constantly see this sort of approach in the modern day.  We have lost sight of the fact that such lists in the past were merely means of promotion.  I watched a run-down of the top musical screams on MTV many years ago when they were still showing music videos.  The late comic Sam Kinneson won.  His parody song was on rotation at the time, as were most of those in contention.  No Child in Time or Won't Get Fooled Again.  Ancient history.  The problem is that now we too often take such an approach as legitimate.  To an extent, I am just about as guilty as anyone for I frequently view lists.  I rarely take them seriously, but I do like to see who places where in the listing.  Favorites are one thing, but, as is implied, objectively the best?  Even with clear criteria, that is debatable.  Still, CTTE is a great song.


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Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: August 17 2015 at 06:24
" . . . it is up there with the other greats."

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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: August 17 2015 at 09:20
One of many great tracks by classic prog bands , but for me it's too long which is the same problem I have with TFTO and Suppers Ready. I like the music on those ,but  I tend to prefer the shorter epics from 9-12 min long that don't overstay their welcome.
Not sure what my favorite 'epic' is but for repeated listening on a desert island I wouldn't choose CTTE.


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