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Posted: February 24 2011 at 09:44
Negoba wrote:
The T wrote:
Padraic wrote:
The T wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Negoba wrote:
If T or Rob or llama or even me wants to spout their opinions it's ok because they've actually listened to Coyote all the way through.
I haven't.
Neither have I
What are you guys waiting for
Someone to give me an amazon gift card or something for some special event or date. I'm quite decided not to throw my money away in rock albums if I'm not 100% sure I'll find something I like. I've been buying albums off the top 10 PA list every year and usually they end up abandoned and even traded. This year, though, I have hopes for Coyote and Agalloch. I'll get them eventually. And then I'll have a clear view of the Holocaust.
A live version of Coyote can be streamed live, it's one of H.ro's listen to the music of today threads.
Teo, it's better than BLD by quite a bit IMO. Given your storied history with the band, can't imagine you not hearing it.
And until you to listen, you can no longer have an opinion about anything.
I listened to the streaming live version, and all that I can say is that I couldn't wait for it to be over. I was sooooooooooo bored.
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Posted: February 24 2011 at 09:41
The T wrote:
Padraic wrote:
The T wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Negoba wrote:
If T or Rob or llama or even me wants to spout their opinions it's ok because they've actually listened to Coyote all the way through.
I haven't.
Neither have I
What are you guys waiting for
Someone to give me an amazon gift card or something for some special event or date. I'm quite decided not to throw my money away in rock albums if I'm not 100% sure I'll find something I like. I've been buying albums off the top 10 PA list every year and usually they end up abandoned and even traded. This year, though, I have hopes for Coyote and Agalloch. I'll get them eventually. And then I'll have a clear view of the Holocaust.
A live version of Coyote can be streamed live, it's one of H.ro's listen to the music of today threads.
Teo, it's better than BLD by quite a bit IMO. Given your storied history with the band, can't imagine you not hearing it.
And until you to listen, you can no longer have an opinion about anything.
You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Posted: February 24 2011 at 01:33
One more and I really need a break as this is harowing - i watched 4 parts of this one...
Part One states even the Nazis were decieved - they thought Treblinka was a resettlement program nobody said anything about killing. Then they began to pile bodies up like wood....... a sub human part of history.
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Posted: February 24 2011 at 00:54
Was the world really passive when the Holocaust was happening or were they blinded to it - did they have a clue what was really going on. I thought it was all secret - Nazis even burned camps to hide the evidence. It is a chilling moment in history when you consider the trouble the Nazis went to in order to hide the evidence. They didnt count on the Holocaust survivors being so vocal though....
this is absolutely heart wrenching
pls watch with care everyone - i felt sick watching some of this but its very powerful and very compelling
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Posted: February 24 2011 at 00:41
Mein Kamph is so pitiful bad even the Hitler admirers like David Irving (Blue Effect's main source) cringes when this book is mentioned. Yes, I have read this excuse of a book and yes; presdoug is right when he said it was a forewarning of tragedies to come.
Both the Americans and the Brits knew about Holocaust before it started and during this atrocity. They photographed the KZ camps from the air and were eyewitnesses to this genocide. They could had sent bombers and fighter airplanes ot bomb the gas chambers. But they were sitting passive in Washington and London, twiddling their thumbs when millions of Jews were slaughtered.
Those who are wondering why Israel is such an agressive, entrenched state who never listen to reason; the answer can be found in my previous paragraph. Israel is s p e l l e d out in that paragraph, no less. And most Jews does not have much trust in London and Washington. Hence their atom bomb and nuclear facilities too.
I do not defend what Israel is doing. But I understand, but not defend, their reasoning when millions of Jews were slaughtered while the world was passive watching Holocaust happening.
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Posted: February 24 2011 at 00:41
Any Colour You Like wrote:
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
what IS in Mein Kampf???? anyone?
Rants, generalisations, broad and ill-defined attacks, specified attacks (mostly on Jews, Bolsheviks), pseudo-science, nationalistic propaganda and some historical muses.
sounds like a must read
I heard it featured many ideas that were later twisted by The fuhrer.
heres some quotes:
The great masses of the people will more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one. Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf
The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew. Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf
Was there any form of filth or profligacy, particularly in cultural life, without at least one Jew involved in it? If you cut even cautiously into such an abscess, you found, like a maggot in a rotting body, often dazzled by the sudden light - a kike! Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf
I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord. Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf
The broad masses of a population are more amenable to the appeal of rhetoric than to any other force. Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf
The [Nazi party] should not become a constable of public opinion, but must dominate it. It must not become a servant of the masses, but their master! Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf
There must be no majority decisions, but only responsible persons, and the word 'council' must be restored to its original meaning. Surely every man will have advisers by his side, but the decision will be made by one man. Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf
Never forget that the most sacred right on this earth is man's right to have the earth to till with his own hands, the most sacred sacrifice the blood that a man sheds for this earth.... Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf
Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live. Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf
In actual fact the pacifistic-humane idea is perfectly all right perhaps when the highest type of man has previously conquered and subjected the world to an extent that makes him the sole ruler of this earth… Therefore, first struggle and then perhaps pacifism. Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf
All great movements are popular movements. They are the volcanic eruptions of human passions and emotions, stirred into activity by the ruthless Goddess of Distress or by the torch of the spoken word cast into the midst of the people. Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf
Germany will either be a world power or will not be at all. Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf
The art of leadership. . . consists in consolidating the attention of the people against a single adversary and taking care that nothing will split up that attention. . . . The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category. Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf
A man does not die for something which he himself does not believe in. Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf
Sooner will a camel pass through a needle's eye than a great man be 'discovered' by an election. Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf
Mankind has grown strong in eternal struggle, and only in eternal peace does it perish. Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf
Nature . . . puts living creatures on this globe and watches the free play of forces. She then confers the master's right on her favourite child, the strongest in courage and industry . . . The stronger must dominate and not blend with the weaker, thus sacrificing his own greatness. Only the born weakling can view this as cruel. Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf
All the human culture, all the results of art, science and technology that we see before us today, are almost exclusively the creative product of the Aryan. This very fact admits of the not unfounded inference that he alone was the founder of all higher humanity, therefore representing the prototype of all that we understand by the word "man." He is the Prometheus of mankind from whose shining brow the divine spark of genius has sprung at all times, forever kindling anew that fire of knowledge which illuminated the night of silent mysteries and thus caused man to climb the path to mastery over the other beings of the earth . . . It was he who laid the foundations and erected the walls of every great structure in human culture. Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf
Blood mixture and the result drop in the racial level is the sole cause of the dying out of old cultures; for men do not perish as a result of lost wars, but by the loss of that force of resistance which is continued only in pure blood. All who are not of good race in this world are chaff. Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf
A folkish state must therefore
There must be no majority decisions, but only responsible persons . . . Surely every man will have advisers by his side, but the decision will be made by one man. Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf
From millions of men . . . one man must step forward who with apodictic force will form granite principles from the wavering idea-world of the broad masses and take up the struggle for their sole correctness, until from the shifting waves of a fre thought-world there will arise a brazen cliff of solid unity in faith and will. Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf
The spark of a genius exists in the brain of the truly creative man from the hour of his birth. True genius is always inborn and never cultivated, let alone learned. Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf
Any alliance whose purpose is not the intention to wage war is senseless and useless. Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf
Armies for the preservation of peace do not exist; they exist only for the triumphant exertion of war. Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf
Their sword will become our plow, and from the tears of war the daily bread of future generations will grow. Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf
What we have to fight for is the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfil the mission assigned to it by the creator. Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf
For there is one thing we must never forget… the majority can never replace the man. And no more than a hundred empty heads make one wise man will an heroic decision arise from a hundred cowards. Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf
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Posted: February 24 2011 at 00:13
The T wrote:
Padraic wrote:
The T wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Negoba wrote:
If T or Rob or llama or even me wants to spout their opinions it's ok because they've actually listened to Coyote all the way through.
I haven't.
Neither have I
What are you guys waiting for
Someone to give me an amazon gift card or something for some special event or date. I'm quite decided not to throw my money away in rock albums if I'm not 100% sure I'll find something I like. I've been buying albums off the top 10 PA list every year and usually they end up abandoned and even traded. This year, though, I have hopes for Coyote and Agalloch. I'll get them eventually. And then I'll have a clear view of the Holocaust.
If you get "Coyote" your view of the Holocaust will totally be distorted, believe me. Hitler heard it many years ago and he invaded Poland. The album began more wars and more bloodier battles than you can imagine.
Rants, generalisations, broad and ill-defined attacks, specified attacks (mostly on Jews, Bolsheviks), pseudo-science, nationalistic propaganda and some historical muses.
Edited by Any Colour You Like - February 23 2011 at 23:15
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Posted: February 23 2011 at 22:53
Padraic wrote:
The T wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Negoba wrote:
If T or Rob or llama or even me wants to spout their opinions it's ok because they've actually listened to Coyote all the way through.
I haven't.
Neither have I
What are you guys waiting for
Someone to give me an amazon gift card or something for some special event or date. I'm quite decided not to throw my money away in rock albums if I'm not 100% sure I'll find something I like. I've been buying albums off the top 10 PA list every year and usually they end up abandoned and even traded. This year, though, I have hopes for Coyote and Agalloch. I'll get them eventually. And then I'll have a clear view of the Holocaust.
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Posted: February 23 2011 at 22:51
I have read Mein Kampf. Is quite bad. Full of attacks on jews and communists, the perfect fascist agenda of creating a common enemy based on the jealousy of the people and of attacking those extremists that are most similar to you. At times Hitler shows some skills in talking nonsense kind of making sense (something that would make him conquer the masses so easily) but in general is quite a useless book.
I've read Mao's "5 philosophical thesis" too. Boring as hell. I've read a book by Stalin the name of which I can't even remember. Bad. They're all fun to read if you like history though.
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Posted: February 23 2011 at 22:37
Slartibartfast wrote:
toroddfuglesteg wrote:
Sorry, but these far leftist genocide excusers really gets my tail feathers badly twisted out of shape.
Speaking as someone who is a far leftist I am not familiar with any on my side that has excused genocide.
Noam Chomsky used to be a Cambodian genocide denier... I'm not sure in America but south of Mexico there's PLENTY of people who deny the deaths with Mao, with the 5-year plans of Stalin and some that even APPLAUD the murders under Fidel Castro.
You're not a far leftist Slarti. You're a radical democrat that's all.
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Posted: February 23 2011 at 20:55
I read mein kampf it's boring as all hades. It's been awhile but some self pitying and some not terribly insightful reflections. You wouldn't have ever guessed from the book that the guy would later attract followers so well. Both his political skill and delusional mentality developed alot over time.
Commandant of Auschwitz: autobiography of rudolph hoess is much better reading if you're wanting a glimpse into those dark minds.
Edited by Negoba - February 23 2011 at 20:58
You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Posted: February 23 2011 at 20:44
Any Colour You Like wrote:
I am a history student (now a graduate), and I only bite in these threads because I have been taught to question history, rather than accept the 'standard'. Call it revisionist fervour or academic nit-picking, but I mean no harm.
I've seen a lot of revisionist history going on in this country to events I have personally experienced. The Holocaust is well documented in history, pictures, films, and in the remains of the victims. The liberators of the concentration camps have been dying out but they were not making things up. Go back further in history and then you do get into the situation that the victors wrote the history and may have been twisting things.
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted: February 23 2011 at 20:39
Any Colour You Like wrote:
I am a history student (now a graduate), and I only bite in these threads because I have been taught to question history, rather than accept the 'standard'. Call it revisionist fervour or academic nit-picking, but I mean no harm.
Yeah I used to do History at Uni too and we had to question everything as part of the course. It was mandatory to look at PRIMARY texts rather than SECONDARY whichmeant we had to read the orginal Peaps Diary. and the Burning of London manuscripts, it was a drag, though enlightening at times. I WOULD LOVE to read Hitlers Mein Kampf to see whati s actually in it.
on that note
what IS in Mein Kampf???? anyone?
Edited by AtomicCrimsonRush - February 23 2011 at 20:39
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Negoba wrote:
and the Burning of London manuscripts
, it was a drag, though enlightening at times. I WOULD LOVE to read Hitlers Mein Kampf to see whati s actually in it.
