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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 10:45 |
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Well, when I was a late teenager I most certainly did. |
That might explain a few things
Actually i remember as a teen going to sleep listening to Alice Cooper -
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 10:29 |
Well, when I was a late teenager I most certainly did.
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 10:26 |
I'm 18 now but I can remember listening to and enjoying Genesis at the age of 10. It's never too early to start listening to good music. To sleep to, I would reccomend some Camel. Perhaps The Snow Goose?
Heaven forbid she goes to bed listening to what most 13 year olds listen to. Its bad for her health!
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 10:23 |
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I have thoughts about other prog too but not sure what is suitable for a teen daughter. Any thoughts? |
Maybe give her Court of the Crimson King (but encourage her to start with track 2), Zappa's Grand Wazoo, or disc 2 of Tull's Living in The Past (starting on track 3). I have a talent for dosing off to Pawn Hearts (even though I love it), but that one isn't such a good idea for a 13 year-old girl. | i would be worried about Court of Crimson King as that first track is a trippy one ot say the least - i could start it at track 2 (and even thought about this before now) but curiosity would bring her back to it. Unless I made up a CD for her and omitted it. She wouldnt see the scary cover then either Tull is a good idea - not too bad for her to listen to i believe. i was thinking Passion Play but I wonder what she will think on track 2 when the hare that lost its spectacles starts Might be worth a laugh. | A Passion Play is a fantastic record that I've grown up listening to, but it might scare off a new listener. Maybe try Songs from the Wood, Heavy Horses, Benefit, or Stand Up? "For Michael Collins, Jeffrey, and Me" is a fantastic song to go to sleep to. Also, you might be on to something with the mixed cd idea! Just be sure to throw in some mellow Porcupine Tree, Floyd, and maybe Harum for good measure.
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 10:11 |
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As for suggestions appropriate to a 13-year-old girl, maybe I'm not qualified as my daughter is considerably younger, but I think it is good for girlts to have strong female role models in all areas, including the arts. Thus, anything my Magenta would probably be good. I would probably start with Revolutions as I think it is most likely to catch a teenager's imagination, but I may just be projecting too much of my remembered self here. For classic prog, of course Renaissance would be wonderful, particularly Scheherazade. I don't think either of these albums has any content that would cause me concern as a parent. Another suggestion, though the vocalist of course is male, is Yes's the Ladder--in places downright exuberant, and I think pretty accessible (in the best sense of the word). |
thats a great idea as Annie haslams voice is very soothing tho that stuff is rather difficult to get into esp Scherezade - I am not sure she will understand that orcestration. Good idea though.
Yes's The Ladder is something I had not considered but once again a nice choice. |
Thanks. Another possibility for the same reasons (female voice), though it is quite solidly Neo-Prog and thus maybe outside of what you are looking for, is Legend's Triple Aspect.
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 10:11 |
Zombywoof wrote:
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
I have thoughts about other prog too but not sure what is suitable for a teen daughter. Any thoughts?
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Maybe give her Court of the Crimson King (but encourage her to start with track 2), Zappa's Grand Wazoo, or disc 2 of Tull's Living in The Past (starting on track 3). I have a talent for dosing off to Pawn Hearts (even though I love it), but that one isn't such a good idea for a 13 year-old girl. |
i would be worried about Court of Crimson King as that first track is a trippy one ot say the least - i could start it at track 2 (and even thought about this before now) but curiosity would bring her back to it. Unless I made up a CD for her and omitted it. She wouldnt see the scary cover then either
Tull is a good idea - not too bad for her to listen to i believe. i was thinking Passion Play but I wonder what she will think on track 2 when the hare that lost its spectacles starts Might be worth a laugh.
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 10:06 |
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Should this be added to the "You know you're a prog newbie when..." thread?
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nope, because I play it to sleep deliberately :) Not, that I'm not listening it awake, but I just love falling asleep to great dreamy music. I know we're going a little off topic here :P
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I was kidding, so do I. Islands is one of my favorite albums, I have no idea why some people bash it the way they do.
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 10:04 |
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
I have thoughts about other prog too but not sure what is suitable for a teen daughter. Any thoughts? |
Maybe give her Wish You Were Here, Court of the Crimson King (but encourage her to start with track 2), Zappa's Grand Wazoo, or disc 2 of Tull's Living in The Past (starting on track 3). I have a talent for dosing off to Pawn Hearts (even though I love it), but that one isn't such a good idea for a 13 year-old girl.
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 10:03 |
Staker wrote:
I laughed at this thread's title.
Of course teenagers can enjoy prog - they can enjoy every type of music just like everyone else. We're not stupid, you know. I'm 17, and the first genre of music I got into was prog, with Pink Floyd. I have diversified over the years, into metal, extreme metal, ambient, hard rock, experimental, and listen to lots of recent music. I don't listen to the radio - I hate it, and I hate almost all pop music that they'd play.
So if you are desperate to get your daughter into prog, then continue as you are. Note that some degree of freedom should be encouraged - sure, you might dislike the modern stuff, but maybe she does enjoy it along with prog. I think as a father myself I'd hate to have to hear it but it might be a price worth paying for to allow some freedom.
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Good advice again. i can see your point of view and will allow a lot of freedom but she is very keen to check them out after hearing from me how great they are.
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 10:03 |
I'm 15 and I love it.
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 09:59 |
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Hello there.
I'm 17 years old, and I've been listening to Genesis' older material for about a year now. I've listened to both Selling England By The Pound and Foxtrot in their entirety, and I just recently got Nursery Cryme and The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway.
In the two former albums mentioned, there wasn't a song on either album I didn't enjoy. Of the two, I preferred Foxtrot (partially because of Supper's Ready, but I also like Time Table and Get 'Em Out By Friday), but both are excellent prog albums.
That being said, Genesis isn't my favorite prog band. Among my favorites are Pink Floyd, Yes, ELP, and King Crimson. I also like Peter Gabriel's solo material, especially his experimental material from the third album.
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Great stuff! Gabriel is a legend and can do no wrong for me either. i recently saw his DVD Growing Up and it is a stunning show - if you go to youtube and search 'Growing Up DVD' you can watch the entire thing! He is dynamic and very moving when he is on stage with his daughter.
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 09:57 |
Zombywoof wrote:
Should this be added to the "You know you're a prog newbie when..." thread?
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nope, because I play it to sleep deliberately :) Not, that I'm not listening it awake, but I just love falling asleep to great dreamy music. I know we're going a little off topic here :P
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"Ffffaaahhh, seeko baaaaaa
Neeeeee toe, kare lo yeahhh
Sa sa sa sa saa! Fssss
Drrrrrrrrr bo ki!
Rapateeka! do go taaaam
Rapateeka! do go tchaa"
- "Atom Heart Mother" Pink Floyd/Ron Geesin
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 09:55 |
As for suggestions appropriate to a 13-year-old girl, maybe I'm not qualified as my daughter is considerably younger, but I think it is good for girlts to have strong female role models in all areas, including the arts. Thus, anything my Magenta would probably be good. I would probably start with Revolutions as I think it is most likely to catch a teenager's imagination, but I may just be projecting too much of my remembered self here. For classic prog, of course Renaissance would be wonderful, particularly Scheherazade. I don't think either of these albums has any content that would cause me concern as a parent. Another suggestion, though the vocalist of course is male, is Yes's the Ladder--in places downright exuberant, and I think pretty accessible (in the best sense of the word). |
thats a great idea as Annie haslams voice is very soothing tho that stuff is rather difficult to get into esp Scherezade - I am not sure she will understand that orcestration. Good idea though.
Yes's The Ladder is something I had not considered but once again a nice choice.
Edited by AtomicCrimsonRush - June 07 2010 at 10:00
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 09:53 |
Wiktor Hatif wrote:
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Great, just be sure to set the player on timer so "The Knife" doesn't wake her up! That happened to me once.
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I often fell asleep to "Islands" KC and I wake up at "The Letters" because its high volume contrast - verse is perfectly silent and instrumental part is a volcano :D
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That has happened to me too many times to count. Especially on the Ladies of the Road live album. Should this be added to the "You know you're a prog newbie when..." thread?
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 09:52 |
Follow-up tp last post: I might also suggest either of Touchstone's albums, Discordant Dreams or Wintercoast. Kim Sevior's voice is wonderful, and as they are a cross-over prog band, their sensibilities I think span a range of tastes.
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 09:47 |
Zombywoof wrote:
Great, just be sure to set the player on timer so "The Knife" doesn't wake her up! That happened to me once.
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I often fell asleep to "Islands" KC and I wake up at "The Letters" because its high volume contrast - verse is perfectly silent and instrumental part is a volcano :D
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"Ffffaaahhh, seeko baaaaaa
Neeeeee toe, kare lo yeahhh
Sa sa sa sa saa! Fssss
Drrrrrrrrr bo ki!
Rapateeka! do go taaaam
Rapateeka! do go tchaa"
- "Atom Heart Mother" Pink Floyd/Ron Geesin
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 09:47 |
Hello there.
I'm 17 years old, and I've been listening to Genesis' older material for about a year now. I've listened to both Selling England By The Pound and Foxtrot in their entirety, and I just recently got Nursery Cryme and The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway.
In the two former albums mentioned, there wasn't a song on either album I didn't enjoy. Of the two, I preferred Foxtrot (partially because of Supper's Ready, but I also like Time Table and Get 'Em Out By Friday), but both are excellent prog albums.
That being said, Genesis isn't my favorite prog band. Among my favorites are Pink Floyd, Yes, ELP, and King Crimson. I also like Peter Gabriel's solo material, especially his experimental material from the third album.
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 09:46 |
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
rod65 wrote:
I can't see any reason why not. I was 12 when I got into prog, myself (currently 44 BTW). I have a 2 1/2 year-old daughter wth whom I listen to a wide range of music, including symphonic, neo-, and cross-over prog. She will often ask me to put some music on, and when she asks for "fast music," I know she wants to listen to Rush. She has described Yes as "happy music," and applied the descriptor "nice music" to more prog bands than I can name here. I think it's a matter of exposure, and of respecting her own growing tastes; i.e. if she doesn't like something, I take it off and find something more to her liking. I will also need to remain open, once she gets older and starts exploring music on her own, to the posibility of her introducing me to bands I might not otherwise encouter or seek out. Fair is fair. Then we will both have something to offer. |
Yes, exactly! I think thats a great idea to expose them to it rather than force them. i was exposed to Country as a kid but it made no difference altho i liked some Johnny Cash and Don Williams I was still into Kiss and Sweet and Pink Floyd. Mum was worried about Pink Floyd but had no problem with Kiss! Go figure. She even took me to a Kiss concert in 1980 with my sister. My daughter does listen to Miley Cyrus but shes grown tired of her - not enough diversity
i hope she can appreciate the greatness of Genesis as you all seem to in your teen years. I mean she can listen to the Phil collins years too as long as she enjoys the music and I have plenty on hand for her.She could listen to every album without spending cash on the albums.
I have thoughts about other prog too but not sure what is suitable for a teen daughter. Any thoughts?
Thx for responses. A feel good thread at present |
As for suggestions appropriate to a 13-year-old girl, maybe I'm not qualified as my daughter is considerably younger, but I think it is good for girlts to have strong female role models in all areas, including the arts. Thus, anything my Magenta would probably be good. I would probably start with Revolutions as I think it is most likely to catch a teenager's imagination, but I may just be projecting too much of my remembered self here. For classic prog, of course Renaissance would be wonderful, particularly Scheherazade. I don't think either of these albums has any content that would cause me concern as a parent. Another suggestion, though the vocalist of course is male, is Yes's the Ladder--in places downright exuberant, and I think pretty accessible (in the best sense of the word).
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 09:42 |
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
Zombywoof wrote:
Of course it is! I'm 17 now, and although I enjoy Tull, Giant, Crimson, VDGG, Zappa, and Magma a whole lot more, I can appreciate some Genesis when I'm in the right mood. Just last summer, I bought Selling England and Foxtrot from amazon (in fact I got an amazon account just to buy these two albums!) and I rotated them in my cd player for about three weeks! I even asked for The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway as a gift, and still enjoy it to this day. As for using Selling England to go to sleep to, I've always found Trespass a much better album for that purpose. The whole work is the audio equivalent to a surreal dream. I love it!
| A few people have told me Trespass is a better choice and i will give her that one tomorrow. i love the album and I think she will enjoy it. |
Great, just be sure to set the player on timer so "The Knife" doesn't wake her up! That happened to me once.
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 09:38 |
I think kids are influenced in their music choices by what they are exposed to and by whom..I exposed my kids to all types of music, but mostly the prog and jazz I listen to and they both love it. Both are musicians and the youngest one is a drummer who has been classically trained in percussion and reads music, so I like to play some of the amazing drumming by the likes of Bruford and Harrison to get his head spinning and to challenge him. I also brought both of them to some live concerts at a very young age..I remember bringing my youngest son at the age of 10 to a Tony Levin concert where he was by far the youngest person in the audience and he loved it. To some degree I made sure they had exposure to a lot of different music for my own sanity to prevent having to listen to rap and pop in the house.
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