Religious lyrics ?

Slartibartfast wrote: This site is well policed mostly but sometimes someone with admin authority goes a bit too far.

Ok birdbrain. I'll put it another way. Post another large chunk of copyrited material on the forum again and I'll over-zealously do whatever it takes to protect the site from you.
Understand?
Damn, I don't do this for the good of my health you know. We are coming more and more under the microscope, but of course your feelings and sense of entitlement are more important.

You'd think but, well, maybe I'm being a bit over-reactionary. I've just seen sites have issues in the past for that sort of thing and I'd hate to see that happen to PA. I know they've shut down most tab and chord sites, I'm not sure what the deal is with lyrics right now.

I'm not convinced that protecting the site from getting its (metaphorical) pants sued off qualifies as "over-zealous." The Internet's been going mental about that sort of thing lately.

I've always thought living a good life as a Christian testifies more than any amount of proselytizing you can do. Preach by example I guess is the theory I subscribe to.

Anyway, now that this thread is really OT.

Back to the topic, being preachy (not just in a Christian/religious sense either) and not offending people is partly in phrasing. Of course there are many who are just offended by other ppls thought regardless. However, someone who writes "X is good and has improved my life" will get a lot farther than someone who writes "X is good; it's too bad you poor cretins are missing out"


Edited by Deathrabbit - May 30 2009 at 17:00

Evolver wrote: Epignosis wrote: Very well.  The Bible says you might find its message offensive.   S'okay.  Some of it is offensive.  Some of it is good.   No matter.  I still like you, I've enjoyed this debate, and I look forward to listening to your album.

No problem, buddy.  I think it says a lot when people can argue and still be cool.  The album is on its way, by the way.  There was a delay in getting it sent off (READ: I was lazy. ).

Take care- talk to you again sometime!

Evolver wrote:   Thank you.  That's what I thought you meant. And your articulate response brings us back to the topic at hand. It is lyrics that say, in the name of any religion, or lack thereof, that a person is, in your metaphor, diseased, if they don't follow The One True Way (TM), that I, and possibly many others who don't like religious lyrics, find offensive.

LOL.  A religious thread and I almost missed it!

Epignosis wrote: Evolver wrote: Epignosis wrote: Evolver wrote: Epignosis wrote: Your "implication" would hold water only if you could tell what in me made God save me.   Irrelevent.  Are people changed by God better in any way than those unchanged? If you had a debilitating and terminal disease, would you be better with it, or without it?   I'm not sure what you are saying.  Okay.  I'll explain. I do not believe (as many do) that people are inherently good.  The Bible teaches otherwise: "For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God."  In a nutshell, that means nothing I can ever do on my own will please God.  The Bible calls sin a disease that results in eternal death.  We are all without hope in ourselves. But God sent Jesus as a sacrifice for the sins of the world.  Yours mine, everyone's.  Paid and done.  Now all that remains is to follow Christ.  That means staying devoted to him in all things.  Those who accept his payment no longer have to live under the burden of sin, and the Bible says God will keep us and cleanse us of all evil, thereby making us perfect after everything is said and done. In other words, everyone is morally bankrupt, and there is only one- Jesus Christ- who can save people's lives and instill in them holiness (not just "doing good things-" anybody can do that). So in that light, a person being treated and eventually cured of a debilitating disease is certainly better off than a person who is not.

Evolver wrote: Epignosis wrote: Evolver wrote: Epignosis wrote: Your "implication" would hold water only if you could tell what in me made God save me.   Irrelevent.  Are people changed by God better in any way than those unchanged? If you had a debilitating and terminal disease, would you be better with it, or without it?   I'm not sure what you are saying.

Okay.  I'll explain.

I do not believe (as many do) that people are inherently good.  The Bible teaches otherwise: "For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God."  In a nutshell, that means nothing I can ever do on my own will please God.  The Bible calls sin a disease that results in eternal death.  We are all without hope in ourselves.

But God sent Jesus as a sacrifice for the sins of the world.  Yours mine, everyone's.  Paid and done.  Now all that remains is to follow Christ.  That means staying devoted to him in all things.  Those who accept his payment no longer have to live under the burden of sin, and the Bible says God will keep us and cleanse us of all evil, thereby making us perfect after everything is said and done.

In other words, everyone is morally bankrupt, and there is only one- Jesus Christ- who can save people's lives and instill in them holiness (not just "doing good things-" anybody can do that).

So in that light, a person being treated and eventually cured of a debilitating disease is certainly better off than a person who is not.

Evolver wrote: You said "It's only God's grace that's changed me."  The implication of that statement is that people who are unchanged by your god are lesser/unblessed/whatever.  That's what I mean by putting yourself on a pedestal.  It is praching,  A truly humble person would have no need to say such things.

Evolver wrote: Epignosis wrote: Your "implication" would hold water only if you could tell what in me made God save me.   Irrelevent.  Are people changed by God better in any way than those unchanged?

If you had a debilitating and terminal disease, would you be better with it, or without it?