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micky 
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 Posted: January 19 2008 at 09:43 |
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very well said darling...
it is a human right... getting healthcare is not..well .. SHOULD not be a measure of your social-economic status.. but a basic human right. Part of the problem with the world today is there are people around that would disagree with that.
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Raff
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Posted: January 19 2008 at 09:16 |
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I really hope to be in the USA when the next elections are held, though of course I won't be able to vote. That said, even if I am a woman, I am rooting for Obama - not because I think Hillary is such a monster, but because it's high time the US had a black president, and someone who doesn't have the advantages Hillary has.
As to Hillary's 'socialist' ideas, I suppose they have to do with her support of universal healthcare. Well, as a European, who has heard and read many horror stories about what can happen to American citizens who are not insured, I firmly believe healthcare is one of the inalienable human rights (same as education), and treating it like just any other commodity is, in my opinion, a crime against mankind. If that makes me a 'socialist', so be it - I'd rather see myself as a humanist, though I've never hidden my leftist leanings.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: January 19 2008 at 07:57 |
I would encourage any of my fellow countrymen who think Hillary is the epitome of evil to leave as soon as she wins the election. We'll be better off without you.  I'm still rooting for Edwards and Kucinich is the best but ain't gonna happen (on a side note, hey how about his hot wife? He shoots, he scores!!!  )
Edited by Slartibartfast - January 19 2008 at 07:59
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keiser willhelm
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Posted: January 18 2008 at 16:51 |
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im not saying i like bush but i AM saying Hillary would be worse. she just oozes this sleazeyness that makes me cringe. her politics? borderline socialist. her personality? borderline . . . disgusting. Im not jumping on any sort of band wagon of hillary haters but everything about that woman is so wrong. im just worried that people will vote for her simply because she is a woman and comletely ignore anything she says. not that what she says isnt worth ignoring in the first place. BTW, what do people see in her? not people who would vote for her not to vote for someone else, people who would vote for her because they like her. . . what do you see?
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JJLehto
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Posted: January 18 2008 at 16:10 |
Yea, EVERYONE hates Hillary...its just the thing to do.
And I may not like her but I would vote her over ALOT of people.
Im thinking over: Huckabee, Romney, any Neo-cons really
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Mikerinos
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Posted: January 18 2008 at 16:04 |
 keiser willhelm wrote:
Hillary Clinton is the worst thing that could possibly happen to this country and if she is elected, i will move to Canada. that is not an idle threat. |
Okay, while I can see why one wouldn't like Hillary, how can you possibly think she's worse than Bush, Cheney, and other Neo-Cons? I'd be pretty upset if Hillary was the democratic candidate, but virtually any democratic candidate is better than what Washington has now.
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keiser willhelm
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Posted: January 18 2008 at 12:03 |
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im american so im not voting in this poll but i agree completely with riley dog on this one. Obama? nice guy, great speaker, no real great ideas. his platform is change but he doesnt say how, when what or why. most of his ideas are partisan rhetoric. he also has very little experience. he is 36? or something and has only been a senator for one term. Hillary Clinton is the worst thing that could possibly happen to this country and if she is elected, i will move to Canada. that is not an idle threat. It would be interesting to see if Ron Paul gets elected but he is much to extreme for the country to ever get that far. But so far he is the only one with any sort of plan or good idea.
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JJLehto
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Posted: January 18 2008 at 11:49 |
Well, I won't vote in this poll either than.
In 2008 I might just write in Dennis Kucinich  |
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: January 18 2008 at 09:00 |
Vibrationbaby wrote:
Well, I`ve gave up on politics a long time ago in my basketcase country but I voted for Hillary here just because if I`ve got to look at a person just about every day in the media well, she looks better than all the rest of the other monkeys.
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Sad thing is there's a way too large segment of the electorate here that votes for someone based on superficial criteria like that.
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Atkingani
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Posted: January 17 2008 at 20:15 |
Sorry, fellows, but here in Brazil we only know Obama, HC and Giuliani... the others are only names, at least until now. 
When we talk about hope & change it's perhaps a projection of our own desire in relation to our countries (I mean Latin America). We are always hoping that things may change here and even when they change we want more and more... 
I think that the support Obama gets outside the USA is more or less when you watch a football game(American or Association, nevermind) and neither teams playing have your preference which means that you're neutral; then, it's common to sympathise with the weaker or more different side (well, IMHO).
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Mikerinos
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Posted: January 17 2008 at 19:25 |
rileydog22 wrote:
The republican side is the same, except that there is at least one single candidate (RON PAUL) who actually has an OPINION on any given issue, while everyone else simply gets their views verbatim from their party.
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Well, it makes sense to join a political party in which you share mostly similar views, so it's common to notice relatively few differences for that reason. It's mostly just the frontrunners, Clinton and Obama, who don't exactly give their stance on certain issues. Look at Edwards or Kucinich and tell me they don't have opinions. By the way, I don't really consider myself apart of any party, but if America wasn't so bipartisan, I'd probably vote for either the Green or Socialist party.
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rileydog22
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Posted: January 17 2008 at 18:44 |
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The republican side is the same, except that there is at least one single candidate (RON PAUL) who actually has an OPINION on any given issue, while everyone else simply gets their views verbatim from their party.
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Mikerinos
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Posted: January 17 2008 at 16:30 |
rileydog22 wrote:
el b�thy wrote:
I have no idea what Obama�s political ideas are... some info please.
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The same as the other democrats. They really all have the same message, they're just competing to see who can say the word "change" more times per hour. Obama is winning in this category.
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You realize the republican party is also doing that, right?
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: January 17 2008 at 11:03 |
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Well, I`ve gave up on politics a long time ago in my basketcase country but I voted for Hillary here just because if I`ve got to look at a person just about every day in the media well, she looks better than all the rest of the other monkeys.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: January 17 2008 at 10:55 |
Jim Garten wrote:
Peter wrote:
things can only get better, Oval Office-wise! |
Unfortunate turn of phrase as far as UK citizens are concerned, professor - when Tony B Liar was voted in in 1997 the song 'things can only get better' was played over and over at the victory party & on the radio for days. How little we knew...
Back on thread, I like most people here, would like to see Obama voted in for his avowed intent to genuinely improve US society, but who knows, eh? As uncle Frank said:
"Republican is fine if you're a multi millionaire,
Democrats is fair if all you own is what you wear,
But neither of them's really right,
'Cos neither of them care..."
I wonder if he were still alive if he would have tried... |
"'Bout that hot plate heaven, 'cause they ain't been there." Love that song. Off topic but the Dr. Koop song is my favorite on Broadway the Hard way. "...it's the work of the devil so girls don't blow. Don't blow Jimmy, don't blow Bobby, git yourself another hobby..."
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Padraic
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Posted: January 17 2008 at 09:44 |
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I'd like to ask all the Obama supporters what you like about him - and avoid using the words "hope" and "change".
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Jim Garten
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Posted: January 17 2008 at 08:55 |
Peter wrote:
things can only get better, Oval Office-wise! |
Unfortunate turn of phrase as far as UK citizens are concerned, professor - when Tony B Liar was voted in in 1997 the song 'things can only get better' was played over and over at the victory party & on the radio for days. How little we knew...
Back on thread, I like most people here, would like to see Obama voted in for his avowed intent to genuinely improve US society, but who knows, eh? As uncle Frank said:
"Republican is fine if you're a multi millionaire,
Democrats is fair if all you own is what you wear,
But neither of them's really right,
'Cos neither of them care..."
I wonder if he were still alive if he would have tried...
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Peter
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Posted: January 17 2008 at 08:47 |
Obama (first choice) or Hilary-- I feel either would represent a huge leap forward.
As long as it's not a Republican, and especially not another moronic born-again Christian, who views the Flintstones as history, and acts with the conviction that "Gawd is on our side." 
Interesting race this time out -- things can only get better, Oval Office-wise! 
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Novalis
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Posted: January 16 2008 at 23:23 |
rileydog22 wrote:
RON PAUL FTW |
But seriously, that guy seems like the only non-puppet on either side. I really like him, but it's obvious he's not gonna get enough votes.
I'm sure if ole' Washington, Jefferson and Franklin were around today they'd vote for Ron Paul, but then first they would have die of a heart attack pretty quick at the way their "New Atlantis" turned out.
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rileydog22
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Posted: January 16 2008 at 21:56 |
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RON PAUL FTW
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