What does Dream Theater need ?

you know what i think?

i think they shouldn't change at all.. in fact, i think they should be even more overtech, even more self-indulgent, pretentious, "commercial" and they should shamelessly continue to rip off uncut Rush and Yes themes.. may they live and prosper for many many years...

am i being ironiic? not at all...

they are the reason i am here and so they are for most of the progheads younger than 30.. so, as long as they introduce prog music to the world, i have absolutely no problem..

bear in mind that SDOIT, Octavarium and SC were a huge dissapointment to me but that doesn't matter...

on top of that, not only fans, but many of the bands that are in PA's database wouldn't be here, if it weren't for them...

go ask Inside Out and Magna where they would be right now if it weren't for them...

face it, dudes: Marillion and DT held prog alive in the 80's and 90's, correspondingly...

^ 

Just a minute. I'm not a prog-metal fanboy at all. I love symphonic prog and post-rock just as much as prog-metal, so the unfounded claims about that are completely false.

Secondly, there have been continuous complaints in similar threads about prog-metal, and you just go in there, complete with delusions of grandeur from some sort of musical knowledge you have, and blatently put down prog-metal in general, seemingly just to annoy people.

And you can quit the patronising crap immediately, you may have been here longer than me, whether that makes you think you're more entitled to sl*g people off with unfounded comments, I don't know.

And yes, thanks for telling me that other people have different ideas, I accept them and take them as they should be. Subjective. Yet it's the way you phrase things and completely make a genre YOU disagree, something miniscule and insignificant.

Get over yourself. You're not quite the messiah-like figure you think you are.

Certif1ed has been here awhile and has seen much combat, maybe he just got a bit fed up... other than that, I don't see his comments being any worse than others in this thread

sircosick wrote: . I wanna believe that Certif1ed knew how passionately some people would reply against his commentary, before posting it.

nah... sure he had no clue   Those people  are like wind up toys...  just wind them up... and we sit back and watch them foam from the mouth and get all worked up over nothing.  It's what some here do for entertainment... poor twisted souls that they are

sircosick wrote: ^ Is there any need for that? Perhaps not. But metal fanboys as Coleio could also be tolerant enough to pass by such ironic commentaries, couldn't they? You don't have to answer for all those who react so.

sircosick wrote: Certif1ed wrote: coleio wrote: Certif1ed wrote: sircosick wrote: ^ Pardon, sir....... but what thing they were doing then?   I'm glad you ask... I thought I was the only one who couldn't hear any prog in what they do You must be kidding. How many times to people have to be told you don't like prog metal? It's just tedious now. Yes we get it you like Genesis and want to stay back in the 70's, but times have changed, prog metal exists, it's more complex than symphonic prog and that's one immediate prog attribute. Live with it.   No, you must be kidding.   I have made it very clear a number of times that I have nothing against Prog Metal whatsoever - you're making up your own story here.   I do not want to stay back in the 1970s - your slurs are most unwelcome.   I didn't realise that prog metal exists - thanks for telling me.   ...and what I have heard of it is NOT more complex than symphonic prog - how you can say it is more complex is totally baffling.   I don't need to be told by some voracious prog metal fanboy who thinks that the only good music is prog metal, eats, sleeps and probably craps prog metal that my opinions are somehow wrong.   People have different ideas to you - LIVE WITH IT.     Well Certi....... first of all, have a pair of clappies for that last answer Now, I ask you: I personally dislike DT but I consider them, anyway, a prog band, in the sense that they are complex (more than symphonic prog? Arguably), they have that epicosity (or epicness?) thing and, in general, there is a permanent use of odd time signatures and countless beat changes..... Then, what does make you state the abscense of prog in DT?

Certif1ed wrote: coleio wrote: Certif1ed wrote: sircosick wrote: ^ Pardon, sir....... but what thing they were doing then?   I'm glad you ask... I thought I was the only one who couldn't hear any prog in what they do You must be kidding. How many times to people have to be told you don't like prog metal? It's just tedious now. Yes we get it you like Genesis and want to stay back in the 70's, but times have changed, prog metal exists, it's more complex than symphonic prog and that's one immediate prog attribute. Live with it.   No, you must be kidding.   I have made it very clear a number of times that I have nothing against Prog Metal whatsoever - you're making up your own story here.   I do not want to stay back in the 1970s - your slurs are most unwelcome.   I didn't realise that prog metal exists - thanks for telling me.   ...and what I have heard of it is NOT more complex than symphonic prog - how you can say it is more complex is totally baffling.   I don't need to be told by some voracious prog metal fanboy who thinks that the only good music is prog metal, eats, sleeps and probably craps prog metal that my opinions are somehow wrong.   People have different ideas to you - LIVE WITH IT.

Well Certi....... first of all, have a pair of clappies for that last answer



Now, I ask you: I personally dislike DT but I consider them, anyway, a prog band, in the sense that they are complex (more than symphonic prog? Arguably), they have that epicosity (or epicness?) thing and, in general, there is a permanent use of odd time signatures and countless beat changes..... Then, what does make you state the abscense of prog in DT?

They just need to go through some tough times again. Like when they were just writing songs in basements...with the sh*tty feeling of no singer. Some of my favorites are dedications to love ones that passed away. They can't be happy...basically.