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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2005 at 04:04

I doubt 3f8s will be able to answer the question that this thread poses

And I'm not expecting to read anything defending ELP in this thread either - there are DOZENS of threads that praise ELP to the skies which I'm sure everyone must have encountered... you an hardly miss them

I think this thread redresses the balance nicely.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2005 at 03:50

Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

OOooooooooh - I can hear 3F taking a very deep breath, indeed!

Incoming............!

Sigh . ..... Inévitable et immanquablement , mon cher ami!!

She should wake up soon , than check up the forum , click on this thread first, get angry and on we go!! And then she'll probably have a bad day! Wish this thread was not started.

 

Jim, let's stay out of this sandbox to avoid lost bullets.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2005 at 03:42
OOooooooooh - I can hear 3F taking a very deep breath, indeed!

Incoming............!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2005 at 03:38

Oh No! Not you too RichardH.....

I don't think anybody dislikes ELP on this site (I certainly don't) and much less HATES them on this site. It is just that some people are so violently pro-ELP (I am not aiming at you , see my top comment) and can speak also of nothing else than them, that other people get annoyed at this championning of them that they get grumpy and first avoid the subject and than get tired from it and then finally fed up. Then they come out of their reserves and start the debate the ELP integrists want them to have and things do slip onto dangerous ground because the integrists do not accept the opinions  from those joining up.

So I will avoid this thread (and other related ELP Thread) from now on , as to not get into trouble/arguing with you or anybody else.

 

I wish this ELP thing would become extinct

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2005 at 03:35

Simple - I don't like their music. 

One of the biggest problems I have is this "Virtuosic keyboards" thing - Keith may play as if he's a virtuoso, but I've heard real virtuosi - and Keith is not one. He's about Grade 6-7 - and I state that as someone who has done all the keyboard grade exams and the teaching diploma, then studied music with piano as my main instrument, but also played church and concert hall organs - so I'm familiar with technique.

It's kinda like the whole Satriani/Malmsteen thing - yes, they play fast and loud, but it's pure technique.

The biggest difference between Emerson and the latter is that Emerson at least puts passion into his playing, and is full of original thought and approaches to composition.

The second biggest difference is in the precision in execution. I wish Emerson would take off the boxing gloves every now and then!

Emerson improvises, but it's not good improvisation, and he tends to re-use material far more often than not (and I suspect that much of this is not conscious), bringing a predictable, cloying feel to just about everything, as well as a very amateurish style - which is a pity. With real hard work on the dots instead of the flash, he could have written more great stuff - because there are great moments in between the layers of murk coming out of those boxing gloves.

Keith is NOT the virtuoso that ELP fans would have us believe - it's nearly ALL mouth and no trousers. And I'm not inviting comments from TF here, really I'm not...  That intro on the Royal Festival Hall organ is just despicable - total bluster and no structure, all party-piece and no real music. It's as bad as rap, from that point of view.

When Greg and Carl get it together in a bass/drum groove, there is something seriously good going on - but invariably it ends up in a messy heap with Emerson on top.

I find it hard to ciriticise Palmer, not because I'm not a drummer, but because I feel some pity that he has to work with such a cacophony, and admiration that he still manages to pull off some great grooves and licks despite it!

Finally (for now...), Greg's singing.

Oh dear.

The voice is not my cuppa tea because it's just too "precious". He can put a good edge to it - "ITCOTCK" and other places, but generally, Yuck!

And he sings flat - particularly in that gruesome rendition of "Jerusalem", which ELP fans seem to love - but I hate with a very similar passion. I much prefer the version by Mark Stewart and the Maffia (try tracking that one down ).

Just my opinion



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2005 at 03:04
Right I want to know exactly why you hate this band? This is gloves off and no holds barred stuff.Let me have it.I'm big and mean and can take it! I will not attack anyone back for not liking ELP.That is your opinion and you are intitled to it quite rightly of course.But I want to know exactly why you regard this band as worthy of being top of your worst prog band list.This thread is for my benefit. Again this is not about trying to attack anyone,I just want to know.This thread should and will not descend into personal attacks and abuse.I will not let this happen.So fire away,give it to me all barrells blazing!
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