Interactive Poll # 666 - GUILTY!

People seem to going amok over this thread: approximately 80 per cents of the notification mails I got from Progarchives recently were related to it.


Edited by The Anders - July 03 2020 at 13:43

mathman0806 wrote: and while I am at it, here's the German guy with Mendocino for the States. In checking out a few seconds of videos of this, it's quite amazing that over the 40+ years he's been singing that song, he seems to perform and use the same moves in every video, with the hip swing, and that up and down with the right arm. Every time.

mathman0806 wrote: I prophesy disaster wrote: I have two guilty pleasure songs. The first one is:       The second one is:     Osmonds would be the guilty one here.  That Nik video isn't playing here in the U.S. I definitely remember the song. Would this be a fair replacement (it's the 'extended' version): EDIT: Replacing the extended one once it was pointed out that it isn't as good.

wang dang is pure guilty pleasure 

Edited by micky - July 03 2020 at 12:56

Logan wrote: micky wrote: interesting Greg... two of my favorite songs from two of my favorites ... and yeah they do share a commonality  Guess such morbid subject matter can make for the most interesting musical interpretations.. Yes. related, I rember that Blind Mlon had some controversy incolving the bee girl and paedophilia in their hit song "No Rain" (I loved that song) Which reminds me of another, that might be too popuar fora such a poll, but maybe should be my choice. I love Lolita, novel and Kubrick filmas well as the remake, and many are uncomfortable with that, but this Rolling Stones tune has uncomfortable lyrics, but I still like it. Yes, while I dislike the subject matter, perhaps this should my choice, I do feel rather guilty for having liked it. For that matter, I posted a track in the first poll from Serge Gainsbourg's Histoire de Melody Nelson (I love that album) which is similarly uncomfortable.    I was into a young Japanese quirky singer, and my wife accused me of being a dirty old man ogling young girls (I'm younger than my wife -- how dare she call me old) ;) , which was not true at all (my wife and I met in Japan). Maybe this could have been my choice, because for a while I did feel guilty about liking her music. Kyari Pamyu Pamyu

Edited by micky - July 03 2020 at 12:38

Snicolette wrote: Logan wrote:   How very interesting, thanks for sharing. I've heard some of Manson's music-- liked it to be honest. I think the last film I saw in the cinema was Tanantino's Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, which controversially plays on the Manson family story. I liked the film, but I wasn't comfortable with it.   Speaking of films, and since there is a sad Polanski connection with Tarantino's film and Manson (the Sharon Tate angle is what made that film most uncomfortable for me, even if I think it's a clever concept -- reminds me of Robert Altman's The Player in a sense), I like Roman Polanski films even though I have problems with the man. I have known some who would refuse to watch any of his films on moral grounds. There was a big Magma controversy due to Christian Vander's fascination with Nazi Germany and the utilisation of Nazi iconography and such. " and "Tess."  I've not been to a movie theatre since early 2014, and haven't caught many films other ways since, but I was intrigued by the idea of that one.  Perhaps will get it on Netflix, when I move into the "new" house (new home on friend's property, still needs kitchen, so staying in the original house there now).  Sharon Tate is the other connection, she was from San Pedro/Palos Verdes (where I grew up).  First husband's (and incidentally, late husband's as well) musical partner's brother, dated Sharon Tate when they were in high school together.  Such a beautiful woman, such a horrible end to her life.

That is another interesting connection. And yes, it's so tragic. I even had to stop with Twin Peaks early on with the discovery of Laura's body (as a father with a teenage daughter, some of that was very hard to take). A young promising life lost is hard to take, even for me in fiction.

micky wrote: interesting Greg... two of my favorite songs from two of my favorites ... and yeah they do share a commonality  Guess such morbid subject matter can make for the most interesting musical interpretations..

Yes. related, I rember that Blind Mlon had some controversy incolving the bee girl and paedophilia in their hit song "No Rain" (I loved that song) Which reminds me of another, that might be too popuar fora such a poll, but maybe should be my choice. I love Lolita, novel and Kubrick filmas well as the remake, and many are uncomfortable with that, but this Rolling Stones tune has uncomfortable lyrics, but I still like it. Yes, while I dislike the subject matter, perhaps this should my choice, I do feel rather guilty for having liked it.



For that matter, I posted a track in the first poll from Serge Gainsbourg's Histoire de Melody Nelson (I love that album) which is similarly uncomfortable.    I was into a young Japanese quirky singer, and my wife accused me of being a dirty old man ogling young girls (I'm younger than my wife -- how dare she call me old) ;) , which was not true at all (my wife and I met in Japan). Maybe this could have been my choice, because for a while I did feel guilty about liking her music.

Kyari Pamyu Pamyu





Edited by Logan - July 03 2020 at 12:16

Snicolette wrote: Logan wrote:  I abhor murder and murderers, but I still enjoy murder mysteries, am, as said, interested in true crime, and have albums by convicted murderers -- Bobby Beausoleil, a convicted murderer linked to the Manson family made one of my favourite albums, a soundtrack for Kenneth Anger's Lucifer Rising, Jimmy Page also made one, but he had a falling out with Anger. I have a couple of very odd connections to the Manson family (not personally, but very close).  One is here:  My second husband (Mike Slarve) was a concert promoter long before I met him, he grew up in the San Fernando Valley and pretty much knew everyone in the business, or anywhere near it.  Remember, Charlie wanted to be a musical star.  He came over to Mike's house, again long before I met him, which tended to have a party atmosphere, as the rock world was at that particular time (and probably still is, Mike's company then was "Joint Productions").   The Spahn ranch wasn't far away from where Mike lived at that time, in an area known as Box Canyon.  Anyway, Charlie brought out a baby rattlesnake that he'd found and started to torture it with a stick and Mike kicked him out of the house and told him never to come back, he was really creeped out by him, as anyone in their right mind would be.  Link to article on Box Canyon:  https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/box-canyon Link to Spahn Ranch, where we used to go dog walking when we lived in the Valley, cool place (other than the Mansons), with an old west movie lot on it.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spahn_Ranch

How very interesting, thanks for sharing. I've heard some of Manson's music-- liked it to be honest. I think the last film I saw in the cinema was Tanantino's Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, which controversially plays on the Manson family story. I liked the film, but I wasn't comfortable with it.   Speaking of films, and since there is a sad Polanski connection with Tarantino's film and Manson (the Sharon Tate angle is what made that film most uncomfortable for me, even if I think it's a clever concept -- reminds me of Robert Altman's The Player in a sense), I like Roman Polanski films even though I have problems with the man. I have known some who would refuse to watch any of his films on moral grounds.

There was a big Magma controversy due to Christian Vander's fascination with Nazi Germany and the utilisation of Nazi iconography and such.

Edited by Logan - July 03 2020 at 11:56

TCat wrote: I'll write a list of comments on most of the submissions made later today if anyone is interested.

Raff wrote: I do occasionally have a problem with liking music made by people whose views I find abhorrent. Being a hard rock fan, sometimes I have to struggle to get over the blatant sexism of the lyrics, but as a whole it doesn't prevent me from enjoying the music. However, Ted Nugent is a whole different ballgame. The guy is so repulsive that I would feel almost ashamed to like his music. Anyway, it's interesting we are having this discussion when there is a thread about Lovecraft-inspired prog (or prog-related) somewhere else in the Forums. Lovecraft's views were even worse than Ted Nugent's (though he was a much smarter and better-educated person), but I still love reading his works, even if the racist rants they are peppered with make me cringe.

Me too, re Lovecraft....also, Dali had some views I dislike, but I still love his art nonetheless.  As far as sexism, it's one of my big beefs about rap....lots of it in metal, too.  No matter what, it often seems kind of puerile to me, if not downright obnoxious.