Brexit: A change of heart??

And Corbychops blew his chance for No Confidence vote opportunity!
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moshkito wrote: Hi, We'll see what happens with this ... today I think is the day!

Blacksword wrote: If I were Vladimir Putin, I'd be very happy right now, especially with the US going down the sh*t pan too. Good days!

Chaser wrote: Davesax1965 wrote: The last civil war in the UK was 500 years ago. The country has been through several rough times in the interim (including two world wars) without any sign of massive internal strife. Never happen.  Well I don't think the UK has been this divided in a very long time. Certainly not in living memory. The world wars united the country against an external enemy, but this has split the country internally between different age groups, social classes, UK countries and ethnic groups. The good news is that, in my experience, leavers and remainers are able to talk through the issues together without animosity, so that bodes well. I hope you're right. What I do think is that if the government attempted to cancel Brexit then what little faith the ordinary people of our country have left in democracy would be gone forever.

That would be the ideal opportunity, and justification to bring in the dictatorship they've probably always wanted..

micky wrote: no doubt...and I'm quite sure a lot of thought has gone into this on the EU side... but for many of those reasons one can see the EU (has and is) playing hardball with the U.K.  I do think the complete f**kery that is plainly on display out of the UK on how they have handled this will likely not lead the EU to extend any deadline. Again.. if there was any hope that it might make a difference.. then yeah. One could see it, but otherwise.. it is just delaying the enitable. The UK will have the binary choice..  crash out.. and burn... or revoke Art. 50 and perhaps come back later once there is a political will to stomach some unpleasant realties that leaving will entail.

I agree that the Corbyn sh*t show doesn't help matters at all. But I remember even in the immediate aftermath of the brexit referendum results, the reactions from EU were very hardline and hostile. Look, when the people of a country made a choice, it has to be respected no matter how disagreeable the choice they may be. EU does not run Britain's govt anyway and it was not for them to comment on the decision. They should instead have offered a divorce on amicable terms. That would have been the adult and rational thing to do. If Britain has behaved like a pampered school brat oblivious of its true place in the 21st century world order, EU has been like Marie Antoinette in its attitude. Yeah, keep playing hardball until the EU itself breaks up.

Chaser wrote: I didn't see them backing down, but now I think they might (in terms of extending the Article 50 process, not anything else) The key point is that there are elections to the European Parliament across Europe in May At the same time there has been a big rise in anti-EU and far right parties across Europe. The EU is worried that the far right is going to win big in the May elections. If the EU refuses to grant the UK an extension and forces it to crash out with no deal, which will hurt economies across Europe, how will that play out with populist voters in the EU? Will they blame the UK, or (more likely) will they blame the EU for its intransigence? And will they then punish the EU at the polls? Something for the EU to think about I think

you hopefully have a better read on this than I do.. for I sure as hell don't seee the EU backing down.  

Edited by micky - January 14 2019 at 07:59

[QUOTE=siLLy puPPy]LOL, every time this topic shows up i'm reminded of this song for some reason.

Talk of civil war is without grounds. The country was just as bitterly divided on going into the EEC in the early 70s.     

The last civil war in the UK was 500 years ago. The country has been through several rough times in the interim (including two world wars) without any sign of massive internal strife. Never happen.