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Epignosis
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Posted: November 15 2008 at 16:36 |
Bern wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Bern wrote:
Well I personnally think your first responses were quite harsh and ignorant but I won't make much out of it.
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I think it's jackassery to write someone a PM telling them they don't know anything, simply because you don't like that person's review. I gave a careful assessment of an album on an album I genuinely wanted to love (of course I wanted to love it- I spent money on it). Sadly, I only like about half of it- hence a 3 rating.
It's ridiculous.
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Yeah sending a PM was stupid but I don't think he was that harsh.
I just really don't like what you said about art and free improvisations. No offense but, having studied arts for a long time in my life, I hear those kind of things everyday from people who know nothing about arts. Ten years ago, I might have said something like that too. It's what we get from the normal occidental education.
And since a lot of the music I adore is made of "directionless improvisation" (which I personnally see as a good way to describe it and not an insult to it) and that I know that it may be the most fun you can have when you are actually playing it, I don't like your comment about it either. Directionless jams showcase the musicians at their best most of the time. Just listen to their capacity of switching chords all at once, merge all together in an atmosphere, display their emotions, etc.
My two cents.
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Just kidding. ![Smile Smile](smileys/smiley1.gif)
Freely splattering paint on a canvas requires no talent. I'm sorry- it doesn't. I suck at art, but I can do that.
"Directionless" improvisation (I believe there is certainly a difference between directionless and skilled improvisation) doesn't require much more talent.
It's like throwing darts in the dark. You might hit the board, but you didn't deserve to. I just believe that since early King Crimson was obviously very talented, they could have used the last nine minutes of "Moonchild" to construct something. Not just mess around.
Hearing long strings of nonsense like that makes me very suspect that the artists are just trying to fill time. I value structure, or if anything, the semblance of structure.
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: November 15 2008 at 16:35 |
Bern wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Bern wrote:
Well I personnally think your first responses were quite harsh and ignorant but I won't make much out of it.
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I think it's jackassery to write someone a PM telling them they don't know anything, simply because you don't like that person's review. I gave a careful assessment of an album on an album I genuinely wanted to love (of course I wanted to love it- I spent money on it). Sadly, I only like about half of it- hence a 3 rating.
It's ridiculous.
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Yeah sending a PM was stupid but I don't think he was that harsh.
I just really don't like what you said about art and free improvisations. No offense but, having studied arts for a long time in my life, I hear those kind of things everyday from people who know nothing about arts. Ten years ago, I might have said something like that too. It's what we get from the normal occidental education.
And since a lot of the music I adore is made of "directionless improvisation" (which I personnally see as a good way to describe it and not an insult to it) and that I know that it may be the most fun you can have when you are actually playing it, I don't like your comment about it either. Directionless jams showcase the musicians at their best most of the time. Just listen to their capacity of switching chords all at once, merge all together in an atmosphere, display their emotions, etc.
My two cents.
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It all comes down to opinion. Being a huge fan of RIO/Avant, I often really enjoy and find new discoveries out of music that by most peoples' standards is heavily improvisational but actually has a purpose and structure to it; it's simply hard to detect. Being a composer as well has showed me that sometimes some of the most intriguing and groundbreaking compositions come from what would be regarded as "silly" or just improvisational--but that's really where all songs do begin. Whether a song actually continues its form to become an actual song or stays purely improv is proven to be a subjective matter, and that's all it is. I can understand both perspectives here, but I think someone PMing that to him was incredibly shameful, rude, and unintellectual. He has a right to his opinions and he explained himself extremely well. Just because someone else doesn't like it doesn't mean they get to act like a snob and think they know more than they do. Who is to say anyone is more qualified than anyone else to comment about art just because they have a degree in it or for any other reason?
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Bern
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Posted: November 15 2008 at 16:30 |
Epignosis wrote:
Bern wrote:
Well I personnally think your first responses were quite harsh and ignorant but I won't make much out of it.
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I think it's jackassery to write someone a PM telling them they don't know anything, simply because you don't like that person's review. I gave a careful assessment of an album on an album I genuinely wanted to love (of course I wanted to love it- I spent money on it). Sadly, I only like about half of it- hence a 3 rating.
It's ridiculous.
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Yeah sending a PM was stupid but I don't think he was that harsh. I just really don't like what you said about art and free improvisations. No offense but, having studied arts for a long time in my life, I hear those kind of things everyday from people who know nothing about arts. Ten years ago, I might have said something like that too. It's what we get from the normal occidental education. And since a lot of the music I adore is made of "directionless improvisation" (which I personnally see as a good way to describe it and not an insult to it) and that I know that it may be the most fun you can have when you are actually playing it, I don't like your comment about it either. Directionless jams showcase the musicians at their best most of the time. Just listen to their capacity of switching chords all at once, merge all together in an atmosphere, display their emotions, etc. My two cents.
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: November 15 2008 at 16:29 |
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Epignosis
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Posted: November 15 2008 at 16:28 |
MovingPictures07, you got:
![](http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b263/tashanichole82/OntheRun.jpg) ![](http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b263/tashanichole82/SleepTogether.jpg)
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Posted: November 15 2008 at 16:28 |
I was hoping for some angry avant-kids, but no dice
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: November 15 2008 at 16:27 |
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Posted: November 15 2008 at 16:26 |
I want hate mail!!!
I even smashed Kayo Dot and only got a letter saying that the person agreed with me!!!!!
Just be happy people are reading and getting pissed!
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: November 15 2008 at 16:25 |
Epignosis wrote:
I'm glad you posted this review, Alex. I see this one all the time in stores, but never know if I should get it. I guess not, since you gave it a three, and every one is wanting me to make out with Mike Oldfield.
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It is a pretty solid album, but it's not of a progger's top priority. I would say Oldfield is much more groundbreaking and more enjoyable overall.
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Epignosis
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Posted: November 15 2008 at 16:24 |
I'm glad you posted this review, Alex. I see this one all the time in stores, but never know if I should get it. I guess not, since you gave it a three, and every one is wanting me to make out with Mike Oldfield.
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: November 15 2008 at 16:23 |
Epignosis wrote:
Bern wrote:
Well I personnally think your first responses were quite harsh and ignorant but I won't make much out of it.
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I think it's jackassery to write someone a PM telling them they don't know anything, simply because you don't like that person's review. I gave a careful assessment of an album on an album I genuinely wanted to love (of course I wanted to love it- I spent money on it). Sadly, I only like about half of it- hence a 3 rating.
It's ridiculous.
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Epignosis
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Posted: November 15 2008 at 16:22 |
Bern wrote:
Well I personnally think your first responses were quite harsh and ignorant but I won't make much out of it.
| I think it's jackassery to write someone a PM telling them they don't know anything, simply because you don't like that person's review. I gave a careful assessment of an album on an album I genuinely wanted to love (of course I wanted to love it- I spent money on it). Sadly, I only like about half of it- hence a 3 rating.
It's ridiculous.
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: November 15 2008 at 16:21 |
Epignosis wrote:
This person says:
"Splattering paint on a canvas" - you don't know much about art, do you?
"Directionless improvisation" - you probably mean free
improvisation? - is a territory inhabited by many artists in the past
50 years or so in contemporary music.
Please stop writing "reviews". Listen to the music, enjoy it, but
stop there. You are not unbiased, you are simply ignorant of many
things. Leave yourself some time to grow up. This site is public domain
and your words are seen by many - and it's a shame.
I would like to think this has a positive effect, my intention is not to annoy.
My response:
Splattering on a paint canvas isn't art. It's laziness disguised as art.
Another territory inhabited by many artists over the past 50 years has been douchebaggery, which I don't like either.
"Please stop writing reviews," you say. Well, perhaps you should get off your duff and start writing reviews (I checked, and you only have two, you know).
And I am ignorant of many things. I'm 25. One of the things I am not ignorant of is my own opinion.
Leave myself some time to grow up, you say? I'm two years older than you, have
been married for five, have a one-year-old son, have a college
education, and have hemmorrhoids.
Yes, this is public domain, and your words are about to be seen by many.
(End)
Does anyone think that was too harsh? Because I certainly don't.
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It sounded fine to me. I thought it was incredibly shameful of the other person's message, and the ironic part is that he makes himself look ignorant in the process. I probably wouldn't have responded to it; or if I had, I would have been more blunt. Nonetheless, there's nothing wrong with your response.
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: November 15 2008 at 16:19 |
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Bern
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Posted: November 15 2008 at 16:18 |
Well I personnally think your first responses were quite harsh and ignorant but I won't make much out of it.
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: November 15 2008 at 16:15 |
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Epignosis
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Posted: November 15 2008 at 16:13 |
This person says:
"Splattering paint on a canvas" - you don't know much about art, do you?
"Directionless improvisation" - you probably mean free
improvisation? - is a territory inhabited by many artists in the past
50 years or so in contemporary music.
Please stop writing "reviews". Listen to the music, enjoy it, but
stop there. You are not unbiased, you are simply ignorant of many
things. Leave yourself some time to grow up. This site is public domain
and your words are seen by many - and it's a shame.
I would like to think this has a positive effect, my intention is not to annoy.
My response:
Splattering on a paint canvas isn't art. It's laziness disguised as art.
Another territory inhabited by many artists over the past 50 years has been douchebaggery, which I don't like either.
"Please stop writing reviews," you say. Well, perhaps you should get off your duff and start writing reviews (I checked, and you only have two, you know).
And I am ignorant of many things. I'm 25. One of the things I am not ignorant of is my own opinion.
Leave myself some time to grow up, you say? I'm two years older than you, have
been married for five, have a one-year-old son, have a college
education, and have hemmorrhoids.
Yes, this is public domain, and your words are about to be seen by many.
(End)
Does anyone think that was too harsh? Because I certainly don't.
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Bern
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Posted: November 15 2008 at 16:08 |
I may be free for a while. It really is a fun game. It's getting me paranoid too.
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: November 15 2008 at 16:07 |
Epignosis wrote:
Got my first hate mail! Yes!
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Is it spam or genuine?
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Epignosis
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Posted: November 15 2008 at 16:06 |
Got my first hate mail! Yes!
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