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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2014 at 02:33
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

^ whatever, it still does not justify actively disrespecting the UN resolutions, one thing can not be the excuse for the other.

Does the other side respects UN resolutions or is it not obligated to do so because its a terror organization?
It's not an excuse at all, resolutions can not apply on one side. The first step into peace gotta be a cease fire between two sides the we can move on.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2014 at 02:31
In the future, the superstate of Isralestine will gradually become a major player in the region with their integrated economy and military, for one of the great ironies in history.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2014 at 02:19
^ whatever, it still does not justify actively disrespecting the UN resolutions, one thing can not be the excuse for the other.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2014 at 02:02
Thanks buddy, we are trying hard to be safe but you never know with missiles.
I was always against the settlements but Sharon already tried to be the big man and destroyed a few of them and taking the first step, that wasn't enough for the other side of course and nothing came out of it, thousands of people were evacuated from their homes for nothing!
You gotta make some compromises when you're aiming for peace but the Palestinians have never gave up on a single demand, they wanna win the jack pot or they'll burn you alive.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2014 at 01:23
Sagi, first of all I hope that you are safe where you are. I'm not going to take part, I am not expert enough in the subject, I am afraid that this looks like one of the world conflicts which will be the hardest to ever resolve, I can imagine a world largely in peace and still Israelis and Palestinians will be fighting each other, I'm afraid that as time goes on the younger generations will not even know why are they fighting each other, it will have become simply an embedded practice in both cultures. I'm afraid none of both sides is really interested in achieving peace, for the Palestinians it has become their raison d'etre and for Israel the art of defense has become a major economical activity.

I want to say just one thing, most countries acting against UN resolutions usually get sanctions, and I do not see it fair that Israel does not get any for not respecting the UN resolutions about the settlements policy. Respect for the UN should be a basic starting point and should be demanded from both sides. The fact that Israel is a powerful country and ally of the US does not justify being able to act against UN resolutions and not getting sanctions for it. Why can not Israel start by stopping the occupation of land which, as per the latest agreements (Oslo if I am not wrong) belonged to Palestina? then start discussing if you want to modify those agreements, but not the other way around.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2014 at 00:32
Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:


Originally posted by Sagichim Sagichim wrote:


Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

If a man slaps you in the face you don't punch his kids.  

I will if stands behind them as a shield, and then peeps again to go for another one, hoping I will spare him because of his children. That's what happening in real life btw.Just today I watched a video on the news, showing a tunnel coming from the parents bedroom (used to smuggle ammunition) and in the kitchen childrens plates with last night's dinner, this is nuts.You can't hide behind civilians firing missiles and complain about me killing the ones you're hiding behind.
It's a horrible situation for Israel and the Israelis.  But they have the technology not to bomb hospitals and schools that they know are UN run and kill children and UN staff that they have been told are there.  I just don't know what they think they will achieve? Even if there are terrorists and missiles there then they will soon be replaced.  By killing children all they do is create new 'terrorists' for the future.  When 4 year olds start holding a grudge then you know you are in trouble.  I try and imagine what Ireland would be like now if when the IRA had bombed London we had then started sendin missiles over to Ireland.  I suspect that things would be very different.  The only thing that has even the slightest chance of success is 'jaw jaw'. 

I'm not sure you get it, the bombing of hospitals and schools were intentional not a mistake we could avoid with technology. The UN was amazed that these facilities were used as a weapon storage and a good hide out for their terrorists, well you the what's the military's answer to that right? Oh and before you say something of course there isn't a single bombing that isn't notified before to the residents, if you want to stay there during the bombing it's up to you.

Edit: oh and the situation with Ireland back then, I can't comment because I'm not an expert on the subject but I'm sure the situation and history isn't really the same. And yes jaw jaw is the solution but please just tell it to Hamas first.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2014 at 00:00
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

I stand with you Sagi and with Israel.  
I bet you would, Jim

With 1950's suburbia as your location. I stand by no one. All I want is for this shCensored(the killings) to stop. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2014 at 23:33
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Gamemako Gamemako wrote:


Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

IWhere is the Islamic outrage over Boko Haram abducting hundreds of teenage girls
Let's be as lazy as possible and see if Wikipedia has an answer for you. How about this gem:[quote]Iranian Shia Islam jurisprudent Grand Ayatollah Naser Makarem Shirazi has denied any relationship between the Nigerian group and Islam.<sup id="cite_ref-ABNA_22_May_20q4_48-0" ="reference"><span>[</span>48<span>"></span> He has described the group as "savages who do not deserve to be called human beings".


Nice selective Wiki -- if only there wre only a hundred thousand more protesting the heinous acts perpatrated by Islam across the world, then perhaps you would actually be in context with what I said.

But your boy, the Ayatollah Shirazi, is a real peace of work. He advocates stoning women in most cases of adultery and believes the Holocaust is a superstition. The "holy man" even believes dogs are evil and should be banned from Islamic households.
Exactly. This post is common sense. So far I've never seen MASS demonstrations against the heinous acts of islamic barbarism. But dare to draw funny Mohamed and see what happens to your head...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2014 at 23:10
Originally posted by KingCrInuYasha KingCrInuYasha wrote:

If this true, then this is one of the most boneheaded decisions the U.S. government has done in recent years. Have they not learned anything from the Iran-Iraq War or the Soviet-Afghan War?

It's to fight the Iranian Shiite influence in Iraq and Iran.. And to balkanize the entire region.... I really feel awful for the people in the region....UnhappyAngry
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2014 at 22:33
Of course, why fix your own world when you can spend an eternity with 72 virgin maidens in heaven?

That's what you get when you have political/religious nuts running your government.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2014 at 22:23
Originally posted by Mellotron Storm Mellotron Storm wrote:


Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:


Originally posted by Mellotron Storm Mellotron Storm wrote:



I'm not sure how you solve this matter when Isreal's enemies believe that Isreal should not exist. 

That is the absolute key to this. This will never be solved as long as Israel's neighbours, most of whom are run by utter lunatics, terrorists, or religious fanatics, have, at their core, the constitutional right to destroy Israel.
People such as Svetonio, and his like, should realise that if they were governed by Islamists, they would not last two minutes. Why? Because most Trots, Stalinists, or other such people, are dedicated atheists. What do Islamists do to atheists? Erm..............

 
Good points Steve and the thing is if you threw a ton of money at the Palistinians the Hamas would just use it for weapons because their ultimate goal is to wipe Isreal off of the map. So what do you do? Isreal is not going to be pushed around after the Holocaust and I say the more power to them.
 

This is not an assumption buddy. I hope you've heard about the tunnels they were building, coming out of people houses and going in several directions, covered with cement equipped with electricity and transport rails for moving heavy stuff, a real work of art I admit. The army has so far discovered more than 30 tunnels used to get weapons and pretty much everything they need from Egypt. A few tunnels came out under the Israeli border and was supposed to aid them in their mega terror attack scheduled to our upcoming new years eve. They were supposed to come out of their tunnels in hundreds and slay the whole area. This was just discovered and pretty much shocked the whole country.

What I wanted to say is that each huge tunnel like this cost millions to build, so just think what could they do with the money while the majority of them is so poor.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2014 at 22:05
Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:


Originally posted by Gamemako Gamemako wrote:



Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

And what about this ISIS that is supported by our current US authorities? They're fighting the Shiites in the Middle East...
What now? The U.S. does not support ISIS / ISIL / IS, and the Iranians don't support them either.Re: Dark Elf, you're an ignorant internet f**kwad with a bone to pick about sh*t you don't understand in the slightest, so I'm not going to respond to you further.
The US does not support ISIS/ISIL/IS, then why do they have US arms, US uniforms, US weapons and one of the more honest Senators from the US Congress mentioned this in his speech:


A simple internet look-up provides scores of articles showing that ISIL has commandeered huge amounts of U.S. army surplus in Iraq: howitzers, humvees, tanks and munitions. The Iraqi army is as worthless now as it was when they were led by Sadam. Run away and live another day.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2014 at 22:00
Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

The US does not support ISIS/ISIL/IS, then why do they have US arms, US uniforms, US weapons and one of the more honest Senators from the US Congress mentioned this in his speech:


They've got quite a bit of it not from other Syrian rebels but from Iraqi troops who abandoned them. Their main backers in Syria are Middle-Eastern. U.S. intelligence didn't just find out about ISIL or something; it's the same group previously called Al-Qaeda in Iraq.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2014 at 21:26
If this true, then this is one of the most boneheaded decisions the U.S. government has done in recent years. Have they not learned anything from the Iran-Iraq War or the Soviet-Afghan War?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2014 at 21:10
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ Well it ain't hard to buy American fatigues, or guns for that matter.  Isn't that one of our main exports?

I have talked to someone from Syria and this is what they tell me.

Whatever the US is doing, the country shouldn't be doing this... Of course, attacking Syria and then Iran is more important for them...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2014 at 21:02
^ Well it ain't hard to buy American fatigues, or guns for that matter.  Isn't that one of our main exports?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2014 at 20:56
Originally posted by Gamemako Gamemako wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

And what about this ISIS that is supported by our current US authorities? They're fighting the Shiites in the Middle East...


What now? The U.S. does not support ISIS / ISIL / IS, and the Iranians don't support them either.

Re: Dark Elf, you're an ignorant internet f**kwad with a bone to pick about sh*t you don't understand in the slightest, so I'm not going to respond to you further.

The US does not support ISIS/ISIL/IS, then why do they have US arms, US uniforms, US weapons and one of the more honest Senators from the US Congress mentioned this in his speech:

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2014 at 20:54
Originally posted by KingCrInuYasha KingCrInuYasha wrote:

The Ayatollas of Iran are sh*tes.  


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2014 at 20:51
Also, this may be speculation, but I think the only reason that Ayatollah Shirazi condemned Boko Haram in the first place is that BH are Sunnis. The Ayatollas of Iran are Shiites.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2014 at 20:41
Originally posted by Gamemako Gamemako wrote:



Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

And what about this ISIS that is supported by our current US authorities? They're fighting the Shiites in the Middle East...
What now? The U.S. does not support ISIS / ISIL / IS, and the Iranians don't support them either.Re: Dark Elf, you're an ignorant internet f**kwad with a bone to pick about sh*t you don't understand in the slightest, so I'm not going to respond to you further.


My, I merely quote selected items from your beloved Ayatollah, and suddenly you go on an immature rant. Watch your tone, junior.

And I do know what is going on, thanks. My Chaldean friends in Iraq are having their churches and monasteries taken away. They are being forced to convert at the end of a gun or are forced to pay a tax to remain Christian. In Palestine, the Christians have been systematically thrown out of Bethlehem by Muslims (so much for the birthplace of Christianity).

Where ever Muslims are in a majority they practice their intolerance and barbaric Stone Age rituals. There is no place for this in a civilized world.
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