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Refugee...re: "If you don’t know Watcher of the skies, how come you could write this about Foxtrot"
This relates to my point about me finding prog amiable without being memorable. My score reflects that the album is a nice listen, but that I didn't know that the song mentioned was off of it confirms my point that the album does not have memorable songs.
And why is my reply in italics? And how do I stop it being so?
When I've got more time I'll respond to the small number of intelligent posts here (really, I have no time for people who think anyone who disagrees with them is a troll...such an idiotic viewpoint)...but I'll just respond to one of the less intelligent comments here:
"I noticed you had the band Television on your list. That you enjoy punk elevator muzak tells me all I need to know about your "tastes". But I suppose Television did have some "killer" songs because the composer committed suicide after playing them too long. I suppose it was much like Monty Python's "world's deadliest joke".
Firstly, Television is in my list because my entire list is of albums that I have listened to. If I've listened to an album and it fits on my list, I'll list it. Simple.
If you'd actually checked my score for that Television album, you'll notice that I didn't score it that highly nor be very positive towards it in my brief comment for it.
And, irony of ironies, you call Television "punk elevator muzak"...presumably punk elevator muzak is oh so inferior to prog elevator muzak?
From memory, I scored Marquee Moon similar to Genesis' Trespass...i.e. not the best on my list and not the worst on my list...just rather forgettable, that's all.
I'll get back tomorrow, hopefully, for the small number of people who don't call someone who disagrees with them troll...I've noticed that the people who say that don't really have anything much else to say...nothing intelligent anyway.
P.S. and what makes the person here who went out of their way to call someone's suggestions here terrible - re what prog to listen to - as not a troll? It's just bizarre. It seems that here that if you disagree with someone's tastes that makes you a troll.
P.P.S. I still think it's ridiculous that a jazz album is in this forum's top 100 prog albums. Bizarre.
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Posted: April 10 2011 at 14:34
dfle3, you wrote:
I have no idea about Watcher of The Skies...whoever sung that should
count themselves lucky to be heard by you...are you arguing that that
song is popular NOW?
If you don’t know Watcher of the skies, how come you could write this about Foxtrot:
7.75/10
#7 Prog readers' poll.
On first listen I gave this 7.25 and bumped it up on second listen. It's a concept album...not exactly sure what of though.
It seems the problem is that you listen to an album only twice before you rate it. That’s also why Magical Mystery Tour is your favourite here – it’s full of hits you’ve heard over and over again (still an excellent album, though).
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I say nothing is nothing
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Posted: April 10 2011 at 09:58
dfle3 - the reason you are getting accused of trolling is because you came to a forum for progressive rock fans, and essentially said, "your music is easy listening and it's not popular because it's not good." Of course that's going to raise eyebrows.
It also gives off the impression you haven't listened to much prog music, because the genre is well known for being more challenging than what is played on the radio, and requiring multiple listens to truly uncover.
If you are serious about trying to figure out what progressive rock is all about, these tips might be useful:
1) Not a lot of prog is played on the radio, as you know, and not a lot of prog fans care a lot. So don't listen to prog expecting to hear a radio hit.
2) A lot of prog music sounds much better as albums then as individual songs. So try giving a full album a few spins before coming to a conclusion.
3) A lot of what is on your list is not considered prog. Even that Genesis album you have in your #10 slot is sort of borderline ... the bands widely acknowledged + celebrated "prog" period actually runs from their next album, Trespass, until ... well, that depends on who you ask, but at the very earliest, Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.
If you really want to get a feel for what prog is, do what has been recommended: listen to the albums in the top 10 list. Those are what are widely regarded as the classics of progressive rock. It is a wildly disparate genre with a lot of bands that sound nothing alike. Rush is closer to Hard Rock while The Enid is closer to classical; Karda Estra has elements of new age, while Universe Zero has elements of chamber music. Psyche, Jazz, Blues, World Music, and many other genres of music have all been incorporated into one prog bands sound or another. There's even a band called Magma famous for not inventing only a new genre (called Zeuhl), but a new language (where the word Zeuhl came from)! Their music, to my ears, is like a combination of jazz, opera, and rock. It is not precisely "easy listening"
If you want a quick overview of prog rock, here are ten songs ... rather than go for the most famous, I tried to go for the most varied, using as many famous tracks as I could.
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Posted: April 10 2011 at 09:25
dfle3 wrote:
Just the fact that there's so few memorable songs...like I said I LOVE "The court of the Crimson King" (song), but there's really not a whole stack of songs I feel that strongly in 'real' prog music...a band like Pink Floyd are way more mainstream than King Crimson and I would LOVE to hear songs like "Flaming" and "Remember a day" on the radio.
That you don't suggests that the music is not mainstream nor killer/memorable.
Again, this incessant mention of music that is "not mainstream nor killer/memorable". What exactly do you mean?
I noticed you had the band Television on your list. That you enjoy punk elevator muzak tells me all I need to know about your "tastes". But I suppose Television did have some "killer" songs because the composer committed suicide after playing them too long. I suppose it was much like Monty Python's "world's deadliest joke".
dfle3 wrote:
A lot of the 'real' prog albums I've heard are nice enough...easy listening to my way of thinking, but they don't really contain songs that you feel mainstream FM stations SHOULD be playing.
I LOVE Zappa's "Help, I'm a rock" but I get why it doesn't get played on mainstream FM radio.
Then you are the problem, and the solution is not to listen to you or FM radio.
dfle3 wrote:
And if you think that "Thick as a brick" deserves to be heard on the radio, then I think we are coming from completely different positions...it might be appropriate on a station devoted to prog rock, but the kind of songs I love are the kind of songs that I think SHOULD be played on mainstream FM stations...personally, I can't understand how "The court of the Crimson King" is NOT played there...I feel robbed...can't really say I feel that way for most prog music...is pleasantly easy listening, but nothing more.
Yes, we are coming from different positions. And our viewpoints are irreconcilable. I have FM radios in my cars that I use to get the weather, traffic updates and sports news. I certainly don't use it to listen to the tripe that is played on your precious "mainstream" stations. In any case, FM radio is virtually a dead letter. With the advent of CDs and MP3 players, only the truly insipid would listen to FM radio for musical content -- in any genre. Why would anyone with any sense listen to a medium that dictates what you listen to, interspersed with inane commercials?
Enjoy your trolling trip. Come back when you have something worthwhile to offer.
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Posted: April 10 2011 at 06:48
dfle3 wrote:
Have to disagree with you if you mean that classic format radio stations
don't play what was popular at the time...the reason why you hear Bon
Jovi a lot on these stations is because people liked those songs THEN
and NOW. So, the fact that no one plays prog songs now is a reflection
that those songs aren't popular NOW NOR THEN.
It is hard to believe that you'd be blissfully unaware of the changes that swept through the music industry at the end of the 70s, which has a lot to do with some of the popular stuff of the time not being popular today. That does not mean it was not popular then or does not reflect the popular music of the time.
dfle3 wrote:
It's the critically acclaimed AND popularly acclaimed music that gets
played now...which is why we get no prog rock on the radio. It's that
simple.And I've already said that there is SOME prog rock which I think
is good enough to get played nowadays...just not as much as fans of the
genre would like to believe.
Ok, I'll give you an example and from outside prog rock. My aunt has lived in America for 25 years and she is not aware of many of Stevie Wonder's songs from the 70s because she hasn't heard them on the radio. Maybe they do get played on the radio there, I wouldn't know, but not as much as his 80s hits. Does that mean albums like Innervisions were not popular at the time of their release? Of course not. But reasoning with someone who believes that what is played on the radio necessarily reflects what is good enough to be is difficult.
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