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Equality 7-2521 
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 Posted: June 27 2010 at 15:24 |
Yes because emotion should always reign supreme in debates.
1) Did drug enforcement stop that from happening? 2) What was the crime here, the drug consumption, or the killing of a human being? It seems like we already have laws against murder.
Apparently all cops are good except for a few bad apples that make the press, but all drug users are accurately represented by the "hop head"s that murder people.
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JLocke
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Posted: June 27 2010 at 15:23 |
 TheClosing wrote:
You sit through a court hearing on behalf of a loved one who was accidentally run over by some hop head, and see if you don't start to question your principle views.
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What does that have to do with anything I just said? People are killed by drunk drivers all the time, too. People are killed accidentally all the time by others who are abusing some sort of substance, but the laws don't prevent those incidents from happening, do they? How is making drugs illegal to buy helping anyone? Little kids are a hundred times more likely to get ahold of drugs right now than if drugs were legalized and kept behind a counter by an I.D.-checking store clerk.
Edited by JLocke - June 27 2010 at 15:24
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TheClosing
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Posted: June 27 2010 at 15:20 |
You sit through a court hearing on behalf of a loved one who was accidentally run over by some hop head, and see if you don't start to question your principle views.
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JLocke
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Posted: June 27 2010 at 15:16 |
TheClosing wrote:
Only when I see someone who doesn't have sense enough to realize their fun, and games just cost an innocent bystander their life. For someone who preaches about a drug friendly society, you don't seem to know much about the effects of drugs. |
I can't speak for Pat, but I can say this:
Drugs should be legal. Period. I don't care what harm they cause. This country is wasting countless amounts of taxpayer money on this 'War on Drugs' that goes nowhere. I'm really sorry if you think we should make everybody's safety decisions for them, but we can't. And throwing money and trigger-happy cops at these situations isn't the way to fix things. If anything, it just makes the situation worse.
If people want to make stupid decisions, they are going to do it regardless of what our lawmakers may try to do to prevent it. Sometimes the laws that are passed are actually effective in what they are trying to accomplish. In other cases, they aren't so successful. This nonsense about making drugs illegal is the latter. That's all I'm gonna say. because I don't want this to turn into the infamous drug thread all over again. PM me if you want to debate further, though. I do love a nice, firey argument! 
Edited by JLocke - June 27 2010 at 15:20
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: June 27 2010 at 15:15 |
Such a person is me? I abuse meth because I defend people's right to consume it?
Or that means I don't understand the effect of drugs?
I see drugs effecting the person who choses to consume it. I see the black market created by government regulation destroying lives and absorbing money.
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TheClosing
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Posted: June 27 2010 at 15:11 |
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Only when I see someone who doesn't have sense enough to realize their fun, and games just cost an innocent bystander their life. For someone who preaches about a drug friendly society, you don't seem to know much about the effects of drugs.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: June 27 2010 at 15:07 |
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And it seems to me you're trying to push your own personal morality on the rest of society. I get a good hardy laugh at that.
Edited by Equality 7-2521 - June 27 2010 at 15:07
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TheClosing
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Posted: June 27 2010 at 15:05 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
You claim that I've said cops are evil, and the evidence is me saying that the cops I've personally encountered have abused power? |
Seems like my use of embellishment is lost on you.
Still when someone goes around saying that most the cops they've met have abused their power, and that we shouldn't infringe on drug peddlers, well you're doing most of the comedic heavy lifting for me. See I'm still under the impression that you're joking. You jokester.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: June 27 2010 at 14:51 |
TheClosing wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
I called the police evil where? |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
My personal experience would dictate that most cops I've encountered arbitrarily abuse their powers. |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Quite frankly I find your ad hominem comments to contrary to any real discussion we'd have here. |
This is you side stepping; not me.
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You claim that I've said cops are evil, and the evidence is me saying that the cops I've personally encountered have abused power?
lawl
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TheClosing
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Posted: June 27 2010 at 14:45 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
I called the police evil where? |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
My personal experience would dictate that most cops I've encountered arbitrarily abuse their powers. |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Quite frankly I find your ad hominem comments to contrary to any real discussion we'd have here. |
This is you side stepping; not me.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: June 27 2010 at 14:31 |
Epignosis wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
TheClosing wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Does society need to forbid them? Certainly not. I object to it on both practical and principled reasons.
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You should seriously build yourself a raft, and find yourself a Island. See how great your society based on your principals turns out. |
It would seem more prudent that I just buy a boat rather than build the raft. But with that minor correction I'll strongly consider your experiment.
Thanks for the contribution. |
I prefer to be prepared to protect my home and family myself rather than wait the 8 minutes for police to arrive. 
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Enjoy the right of self defense while it lasts. |
How ironic that the US government so reminds me of this fellow named George from a while back...
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Yes Hamilton would be quite happy.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: June 27 2010 at 14:31 |
TheClosing wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
It would seem more prudent that I just buy a boat rather than build the raft. But with that minor correction I'll strongly consider your experiment.
Thanks for the contribution. |
But my friend don't you realize you'll be taxed for the purchase, and thus some of your hard earned cash will be going to the evil policez?!?!
Quite frankly I find your comments to be a bit naive. |
I called the police evil where? Quite frankly I find your ad hominem comments to contrary to any real discussion we'd have here.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Epignosis
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Posted: June 27 2010 at 14:25 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
TheClosing wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Does society need to forbid them? Certainly not. I object to it on both practical and principled reasons.
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You should seriously build yourself a raft, and find yourself a Island. See how great your society based on your principals turns out. |
It would seem more prudent that I just buy a boat rather than build the raft. But with that minor correction I'll strongly consider your experiment.
Thanks for the contribution. |
I prefer to be prepared to protect my home and family myself rather than wait the 8 minutes for police to arrive.
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Enjoy the right of self defense while it lasts. |
How ironic that the US government so reminds me of this fellow named George from a while back...
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TheClosing
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Posted: June 27 2010 at 14:24 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
It would seem more prudent that I just buy a boat rather than build the raft. But with that minor correction I'll strongly consider your experiment.
Thanks for the contribution. |
But my friend don't you realize you'll be taxed for the purchase, and thus some of your hard earned cash will be going to the evil policez?!?!
Quite frankly I find your comments to be a bit naive.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: June 27 2010 at 14:24 |
Epignosis wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
TheClosing wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Does society need to forbid them? Certainly not. I object to it on both practical and principled reasons.
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You should seriously build yourself a raft, and find yourself a Island. See how great your society based on your principals turns out. |
It would seem more prudent that I just buy a boat rather than build the raft. But with that minor correction I'll strongly consider your experiment.
Thanks for the contribution. |
I prefer to be prepared to protect my home and family myself rather than wait the 8 minutes for police to arrive.
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Enjoy the right of self defense while it lasts.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Epignosis
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Posted: June 27 2010 at 14:21 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
TheClosing wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Does society need to forbid them? Certainly not. I object to it on both practical and principled reasons.
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You should seriously build yourself a raft, and find yourself a Island. See how great your society based on your principals turns out. |
It would seem more prudent that I just buy a boat rather than build the raft. But with that minor correction I'll strongly consider your experiment.
Thanks for the contribution. |
I prefer to be prepared to protect my home and family myself rather than wait the 8 minutes for police to arrive.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: June 27 2010 at 14:18 |
TheClosing wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Does society need to forbid them? Certainly not. I object to it on both practical and principled reasons.
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You should seriously build yourself a raft, and find yourself a Island. See how great your society based on your principals turns out. |
It would seem more prudent that I just buy a boat rather than build the raft. But with that minor correction I'll strongly consider your experiment.
Thanks for the contribution.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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TheClosing
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Posted: June 27 2010 at 14:16 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Does society need to forbid them? Certainly not. I object to it on both practical and principled reasons.
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You should seriously build yourself a raft, and find yourself a Island. See how great your society based on your principals turns out.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: June 27 2010 at 14:14 |
Epignosis wrote:
UndercoverBoy wrote:
Okay, that may have been a little over the line, but I'm still shocked that he would find the busting of drug deals to be as disgusting as this story. |
Again, I think you are misunderstanding. I think he's saying (correct me if I'm wrong Pat) that he does not think drug bust stories should be reported. It disgusts him before he doesn't think it should be reported.
I disagree to an extent (Police catching a serial killer is them doing their job, but it damn well should be reported).
Funny how my comment (which I think is quite important when it comes to the media) has gone overlooked.
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You're both right I guess. I'm saying it shouldn't be reported, but also that I find prosecuting people for drug use/selling/making to be wrong.
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Epignosis
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Posted: June 27 2010 at 14:12 |
UndercoverBoy wrote:
Okay, that may have been a little over the line, but I'm still shocked that he would find the busting of drug deals to be as disgusting as this story. |
Again, I think you are misunderstanding. I think he's saying (correct me if I'm wrong Pat) that he does not think drug bust stories should be reported. It disgusts him before he doesn't think it should be reported.
I disagree to an extent (Police catching a serial killer is them doing their job, but it damn well should be reported).
Funny how my comment (which I think is quite important when it comes to the media) has gone overlooked.
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