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Joined: February 03 2007
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Posted: March 27 2009 at 12:12
Given the amount of cash flowing from American taxpayers directly into corporate coffers right now via the bailout of the week, whatever that may be, I think the credibility of those uber-capitalists in the CEO ranks smells a little fishy.
Will the real socialists step forward? What we really have going on here now is "trickle-up" economics.
Let's get corporate welfare under control before we start whining about poor people and their food stamps...
I think someone made that point 10 pages ago, but I've missed a good portion of the thread so I'm not sure how it ended...
...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
^Calm down Peter... certainly we can add this question to the "unsolved dilemmas" pantheon... of which of course "what is prog, does anyone have a clue" is the most distinguished guest.....
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prog n also proggin's* OED ~ sb2 1; EDD 11. Food (for a meal or 'lunch'); victuals, grub or winter supplies. Also attrib. 1869 MCCREA 237 Our little baskets of prog—hard-boiled eggs, cold tongue, fowl, and sandwiches, with a screw of salt—lay ready open. [1891] 1981 Evening Telegram 28 Sep, p. 6 The hunters began to 'make our prog' (i.e. putting their pork, flour and tea, etc into loads). 1933 MERRICK 103 A progbag is to a trapper what a dittybox is to a sailor. In it he carries a few matches, a few candies and cartridges, a spare pair of sox, his pencil. an awl and crooked-knife, a snowshoe needle, sewing materials, deerskin and sealskin patches and other cherished encumbrances. 1955 DOYLE (ed) 52 "Sealers' Song": Though short of grog still lots of prog / To bring us home quite hearty. P 126-67 Bring along the prog tub [for the fishing boat]. P 184-67 Tell the missus I won't be home prog time. 1971 Evening Telegram 22 Apr. p. 3 Don't forget the prog bag [for the picnic]. C 71-38 At supper time she would call, 'Come in to your proggins.'
There! Settled at last!
Now we know where Genesis got the idea! It all makes sense!
Joined: April 29 2006
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Posted: March 27 2009 at 12:00
Peter wrote:
The T wrote:
^Calm down Peter... certainly we can add this question to the "unsolved dilemmas" pantheon... of which of course "what is prog, does anyone have a clue" is the most distinguished guest.....
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prog n also proggin's* OED ~ sb2 1; EDD 11. Food (for a meal or 'lunch'); victuals, grub or winter supplies. Also attrib. 1869 MCCREA 237 Our little baskets of prog—hard-boiled eggs, cold tongue, fowl, and sandwiches, with a screw of salt—lay ready open. [1891] 1981 Evening Telegram 28 Sep, p. 6 The hunters began to 'make our prog' (i.e. putting their pork, flour and tea, etc into loads). 1933 MERRICK 103 A progbag is to a trapper what a dittybox is to a sailor. In it he carries a few matches, a few candies and cartridges, a spare pair of sox, his pencil. an awl and crooked-knife, a snowshoe needle, sewing materials, deerskin and sealskin patches and other cherished encumbrances. 1955 DOYLE (ed) 52 "Sealers' Song": Though short of grog still lots of prog / To bring us home quite hearty. P 126-67 Bring along the prog tub [for the fishing boat]. P 184-67 Tell the missus I won't be home prog time. 1971 Evening Telegram 22 Apr. p. 3 Don't forget the prog bag [for the picnic]. C 71-38 At supper time she would call, 'Come in to your proggins.'
There! Settled at last!
OK after that, why do we even need to have this site anyway?
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Posted: March 27 2009 at 11:57
The T wrote:
^Calm down Peter... certainly we can add this question to the "unsolved dilemmas" pantheon... of which of course "what is prog, does anyone have a clue" is the most distinguished guest.....
:
prog n also proggin's* OED ~ sb2 1; EDD 11. Food (for a meal or 'lunch'); victuals, grub or winter supplies. Also attrib. 1869 MCCREA 237 Our little baskets of prog—hard-boiled eggs, cold tongue, fowl, and sandwiches, with a screw of salt—lay ready open. [1891] 1981 Evening Telegram 28 Sep, p. 6 The hunters began to 'make our prog' (i.e. putting their pork, flour and tea, etc into loads). 1933 MERRICK 103 A progbag is to a trapper what a dittybox is to a sailor. In it he carries a few matches, a few candies and cartridges, a spare pair of sox, his pencil. an awl and crooked-knife, a snowshoe needle, sewing materials, deerskin and sealskin patches and other cherished encumbrances. 1955 DOYLE (ed) 52 "Sealers' Song": Though short of grog still lots of prog / To bring us home quite hearty. P 126-67 Bring along the prog tub [for the fishing boat]. P 184-67 Tell the missus I won't be home prog time. 1971 Evening Telegram 22 Apr. p. 3 Don't forget the prog bag [for the picnic]. C 71-38 At supper time she would call, 'Come in to your proggins.'
There! Settled at last!
Edited by Peter - March 27 2009 at 11:59
"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Posted: March 27 2009 at 11:42
^Calm down Peter... certainly we can add this question to the "unsolved dilemmas" pantheon... of which of course "what is prog, does anyone have a clue" is the most distinguished guest.....
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Posted: March 27 2009 at 09:08
Negoba wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Negoba wrote:
#1. Social Status of your parents
#2. Ambition of your parents
#3. Your social skills
#4. Your willingness to accept pain
#5. Luck
#6. Intelligence
#13. Hard work
#1. I don't see as a big deal (but knock me for it if you want).
#2. Works fine because my parents are ambitious enough and expect me to be so as well.
#3 Thank god my social skills have grown since high school.
#4 Sure, if the reward is significant enough to me.
#5. Would you accept "knowing the right people"?
#6. Got plenty of that. I'm glad I finally realize it.
Hmmmmmmm. I thought of a lot of these things as being derived from "hard work". Perhaps my definition was much more broad than yours.
I guess my top 5 would be, in no particular order: Hard work Intelligence Luck Social Skills Background (Educational and Family ones)
Could you explain why you have parents' social status at #1 though? Because right now I think it's utter BS.
Also, what are #7-#12?
The social status of your parents is not derived from your hard work at all, and only occasionally is based on theirs. Their ambition is also independent of hard work. Social skills and intelligence are pretty much what you're gifted with.
The big one is #4. People confuse #4 and hard work. They certainly aren't independent but they aren't the same thing either.
Obviously this list was pretty flip on my part. But #1 has been documented in studies and I should probably look them up before referring to them. It usually comes up in the old debates that school performance doesn't correlate with career performance all that well.
Frankly after a night of sleeping on it, I would put "insider knowledge" as #2. Basically knowing the system (whichever one you're in, be it school, work site, meetings) and how to work it. I have seen many people I really admire work their tails off but because they don't have this skill, they really don't "get anywhere." They do tend to keep their heads above water, but it's a little tragic to watch.
I would go as far as to say this follows a square-law - #1 is twice as important and #2, which is twice as important as #3 etc. So someone who is bereft of the first three levels is 8 times less likely to succeed and that #13 alone will never got you to the top.
Also, Money is an important factor that is missing from your list (though it is implied in #1)
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Posted: March 27 2009 at 08:25
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Negoba wrote:
#1. Social Status of your parents
#2. Ambition of your parents
#3. Your social skills
#4. Your willingness to accept pain
#5. Luck
#6. Intelligence
#13. Hard work
#1. I don't see as a big deal (but knock me for it if you want).
#2. Works fine because my parents are ambitious enough and expect me to be so as well.
#3 Thank god my social skills have grown since high school.
#4 Sure, if the reward is significant enough to me.
#5. Would you accept "knowing the right people"?
#6. Got plenty of that. I'm glad I finally realize it.
Hmmmmmmm. I thought of a lot of these things as being derived from "hard work". Perhaps my definition was much more broad than yours.
I guess my top 5 would be, in no particular order: Hard work Intelligence Luck Social Skills Background (Educational and Family ones)
Could you explain why you have parents' social status at #1 though? Because right now I think it's utter BS.
Also, what are #7-#12?
The social status of your parents is not derived from your hard work at all, and only occasionally is based on theirs. Their ambition is also independent of hard work. Social skills and intelligence are pretty much what you're gifted with.
The big one is #4. People confuse #4 and hard work. They certainly aren't independent but they aren't the same thing either.
Obviously this list was pretty flip on my part. But #1 has been documented in studies and I should probably look them up before referring to them. It usually comes up in the old debates that school performance doesn't correlate with career performance all that well.
Frankly after a night of sleeping on it, I would put "insider knowledge" as #2. Basically knowing the system (whichever one you're in, be it school, work site, meetings) and how to work it. I have seen many people I really admire work their tails off but because they don't have this skill, they really don't "get anywhere." They do tend to keep their heads above water, but it's a little tragic to watch.
You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Posted: March 27 2009 at 07:18
Be it resolved, those who trot out "socialism" as some kind of boogieman either don't have a clue or are looking to deceive those who don't have a clue.
Amazing to see this thread go 12 pages in such a short span of time. Imagine where the homosexuality thread would have gone if it hadn't got pinched off.
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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