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Poll Question: Do you stay away from prog-metal?
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Hiram Hiram wrote:

metal must be horrible and crude and reek of sewers and rotten corpses. 

That's pretty heavy, and I'd like to hear some more about this point of view, Hiram. 

Well, it's heavy metal, innit? Wink

I don't know what more there is to say. Personal taste, that's all. 
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Originally posted by Hiram Hiram wrote:

metal must be horrible and crude and reek of sewers and rotten corpses. 

That's pretty heavy, and I'd like to hear some more about this point of view, Hiram. 
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Same here. Not for me. 
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Yes, not my genre of music, I'm afraid!..
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^ It's interesting how the language has mutated and morphed over time e.g. If you were deemed to be talking out your fanny in the UK, that would be a matter for the medical profession (or an exorcist)
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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

^^ is there a hyphen in anal retentive? Discuss Wink

you are the one seemingly annoyed that an American band spelled their band name differently from British English. 
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^^ is there a hyphen in anal retentive? Discuss Wink


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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

It's called 'English' for a reason kiddies. LOL


Gosh. An Irish acquaintance of mine "corrected" my pronunciation of "son", saying that it cannot be uttered like "sun". I filled him in, saying that the Americans do it that way.

BTW I prefer the British spellings and pronunciations of the words, but I have been exposed to the American English a lot, so I sometimes flop.
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Nah, Captain Obvious wouldn’t miss the obvious, which obviously you have! 😄


so did I miss here? Confused
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Nah, Captain Obvious wouldn’t miss the obvious, which obviously you have! 😄
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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

It's called 'English' for a reason kiddies. LOL


There are differences between British English and American English, sorry to be Captain Obvious here. 
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It's called 'English' for a reason kiddies. LOL I do enjoy the Dillinger Escape Plan (they strike me as very heavily influenced by jazz harmonies which I don't hear in other metal) and Animals as Leaders (whose music covers a wide gamut of dynamics redolent of Funk and Electronica which is absent from much of the metal I've heard) but that's about it. Addemdum. I like Riverside and some Opeth but don't associate either with being exclusively Metal, Prog variety or otherwise.



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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

^ I presume it is a dig at theatre being spelt theater. To those who spell it theatre it not only looks pretty ugly, but it’s a pain in the arse to type, as autocorrect also believes it is spelt incorrectly, and changes it to theatre.


maybe, but it's how Americans spell it - as in "movie theater". 

Exactly. And people often make jokes that Americans can’t spell.


maybe, but that's not the issue here, because after all there is no misspelling in the band's name. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

^ I presume it is a dig at theatre being spelt theater. To those who spell it theatre it not only looks pretty ugly, but it’s a pain in the arse to type, as autocorrect also believes it is spelt incorrectly, and changes it to theatre.


maybe, but it's how Americans spell it - as in "movie theater". 

Exactly. And people often make jokes that Americans can’t spell.
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

^ I presume it is a dig at theatre being spelt theater. To those who spell it theatre it not only looks pretty ugly, but it’s a pain in the arse to type, as autocorrect also believes it is spelt incorrectly, and changes it to theatre.


maybe, but it's how Americans spell it - as in "movie theater". 
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^ I presume it is a dig at theatre being spelt theater. To those who spell it theatre it not only looks pretty ugly, but it’s a pain in the arse to type, as autocorrect also believes it is spelt incorrectly, and changes it to theatre.
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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:


As I have precisely zero interest in Metal irrespective of the 'brand' listed on the tin, I can't be expected to appreciate the subtle nuanced demarcation between the Progressive Metal and Tech/Extreme Prog Metal sub genres on PA. It might be a Kindergarten/Junior School cut off thang y'all (but let the grown ups decide I say) Some bands who display some of the features I dislike (sourced from the very small amount of Prog Metal I've persevered with) might be: Death whose toe tapper Regurgitated Guts gives Cannibal Corpse a good run for their money but unlike the latter don't even know they're comical. Dream Theater (who also can't spell) are guilty of egregious metric w.a.n.k.e.r.y aforethought. Joining them in the dock m'lud are Meshuggah. I also had a look for Metallica but they seem to be in Prog Related. Is this a bug or a feature of the site? Maybe an admin can investigate.

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What do you mean Dream theater can't spell? Confused 
I get it DT are guilty of the so called "w**kery", but not as bad as other bands, especially in the tech/extreme subgenre. 

Meshuggah is a love or hate kind of band even for those who enjoy tech/extreme or progressive metal. They have a new album out, I'll have to see what they came up with in a genre that is already tired (the djenty sound). 

As for Death, they raised the bar high for extreme metal, so they'll have my respect for that. 

I wouldn't judge a whole genre of music based on 3 bands though. It's fine if you dislike this kind of music, no need for that mockery. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

So for those that don't like it what specifically is it about it that you don't like.


The unrelenting sound of it is wearying to listen to, the lack of textural diversity and kindergarten dynamics of 'loud or louder than that', overly compressed production that squashes the life out of any performance, the faux angst of the singer 'Colin' an ex carpet-fitter from Ipswich a.k.a. 'Belial' summoning infernal bullies to punish earthbound bullies who called him a t.i.t at school or wouldn't go on dates.
the conceit of thinking 'odd' time signatures = complexity just by adding or subtracting beats from forgettable riffs. (the list goes on)

now I wish you posted some examples (bands) where you noticed all these negative aspects. 


As I have precisely zero interest in Metal irrespective of the 'brand' listed on the tin, I can't be expected to appreciate the subtle nuanced demarcation between the Progressive Metal and Tech/Extreme Prog Metal sub genres on PA. It might be a Kindergarten/Junior School cut off thang y'all (but let the grown ups decide I say) Some bands who display some of the features I dislike (sourced from the very small amount of so called Prog Metal I've persevered with) might be: Death whose toe tapper Regurgitated Guts gives Cannibal Corpse a good run for their money but unlike the latter don't even know they're comical. Dream Theater (who also can't spell) are guilty of egregious metric w.a.n.k.e.r.y aforethought. Joining them in the dock m'lud are Meshuggah. I also had a look for Metallica but they seem to be in Prog Related. Is this a bug or a feature of the site? Maybe an admin can investigate.


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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

So for those that don't like it what specifically is it about it that you don't like.


The unrelenting sound of it is wearying to listen to, the lack of textural diversity and kindergarten dynamics of 'loud or louder than that', overly compressed production that squashes the life out of any performance, the faux angst of the singer 'Colin' an ex carpet-fitter from Ipswich a.k.a. 'Belial' summoning infernal bullies to punish earthbound bullies who called him a t.i.t at school or wouldn't go on dates.
the conceit of thinking 'odd' time signatures = complexity just by adding or subtracting beats from forgettable riffs. (the list goes on)

This really does make it appear that you have listened to very little prog metal - or, perhaps, just simply the “wrong” prog metal for you.

There are definitely prog metal bands that I have heard that fit your description - and guess what, I don’t like them either. But there are plenty of other prog metal bands that sound nothing at all like that - and guess what, I like some of them. And, yes, I don’t like some of them, too. But what I don’t do, is make a horrifically generalised stereotype of an entire genre that has sounds and styles far beyond the simplistic criticism my stereotype implies describes it all.
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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

So for those that don't like it what specifically is it about it that you don't like.


The unrelenting sound of it is wearying to listen to, the lack of textural diversity and kindergarten dynamics of 'loud or louder than that', overly compressed production that squashes the life out of any performance, the faux angst of the singer 'Colin' an ex carpet-fitter from Ipswich a.k.a. 'Belial' summoning infernal bullies to punish earthbound bullies who called him a t.i.t at school or wouldn't go on dates.
the conceit of thinking 'odd' time signatures = complexity just by adding or subtracting beats from forgettable riffs. (the list goes on)

now I wish you posted some examples (bands) where you noticed all these negative aspects. 
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