Do you stay away from prog-metal?
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Topic: Do you stay away from prog-metal?
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Subject: Do you stay away from prog-metal?
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 15:52
| Just curious about how much prog metal people listen to on here and what their opinions of it are. I find that sometimes it creeps into my prog without me realizing it. When it does I usually don't have an issue with it though since I don't normally have much of a problem with it. |
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 15:54
| Almost never (I like most but not all) |
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 15:58
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Other. I would have voted “Almost Never”, but the text in parentheses doesn’t apply to me. ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 16:04
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"Sometimes but I still listen to it on occasion" I've found so far about 10 Prog Metal albums I like, and about 20 of other Metal. That is 7% of my music collection. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 16:10
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Usually but not always I like the Avant, some extreme and math style metals but not the core. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 16:16
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While I do love quite a lot of metal - real metal, I voted for the second option Most of the time (with rare exceptions). If I feel like playing metal I put on some Bolt Thrower over... Psychotic Waltz. But there's still probably about 20-30 bands in PA's metal sections I really like. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 16:19
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no ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: JD
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 16:50
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Usually but not always (sometimes it creeps in) Some Dream Theater, Adagio, Rhapsody (of Fire), Extreme, Rammstein, Shadow Gallery etc. ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 17:00
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I don’t avoid it, but it’s not my usual fare. I do have reasonably eclectic tastes. I often like a riff-based heavy metal (more in the classic sense) approach to music, but most if that is maybe more a kind of heavy rock by modern standards at least. I would like to hear more bone-crunching and brutal or evil riffage (to use the terminology of my teens). There is plenty of Prog music I like with metal qualities, such as Secret Chiefs 3, Morglbl,and Taal, And I like Kayo Dot and Maudlin of the Well very much. A lot of what I like which I think has metal qualities is likely better describes as experimental rock. There is plenty of post-metal that I like, but that’s kind of a different beast than what I tend to think of as Prog Metal. I like quite a bit of experimental metal oriented things. There are albums in our straight, more conventional I would think, Prog Metal category that I like, and I’m sure lots more to discover. No doubt the wider the way the Prog Metal term is used, the more I would enjoy (as should be expected). I’d like to hear some Canterbury metal scene Indo Prog Metal/ Raga Krautmetal sung in Kobaian. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 19:47
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 21:02
| Completely. No matter how much I’ve tried, I cannot get into it, so I gave up a while ago. |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 21:33
Yup.... same here.
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Manuel wrote:Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 22:03
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The metal sub-genres have never been where I seek out new music, but when I hear about something new, exciting, or "extraordinary", I give it a shot. I have reviewed a lot of great metal albums, but most of what I hear is not really my cup of tea. Usually they have to have good melodic sensibilities and lots of atmospheric parts. Some of my favorites: Votum Harvest Moon Proghma-C Bar-do Travels Riverside Second Life Syndrome Arcane Chronicles of the Waking Dream Agalloch The Mantle Ghost Medicine Discontinuance Mastodon Crack the Skye Cynic Focus The Contortionist Clairvoyant Leprous Coal Dream Theater Awake Angra Holy Land Epica Chasing the Dragon Fates Warning A Pleasant Shade of Grey Scardust Strangers Karnivool Asymmetry Kettlespider Kettlespider Caligula's Horse In Contact Seiges Even The Art of Navigating by the Stars Tool Lateralus The Mars Volta Frances the Mute ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 22:20
| I really like Prog Metal. I wouldn't avoid it just for being prog metal, but just as with any other music, it depends on the particular bands, albums, and songs, if I don't like them, then I don't. |
Posted By: Hiram
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 23:50
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Most of the time. I used to listen to quite a bit of metal (the more underground kind) in the past, then had a few years' break when I didn't listen to any of it at all but am now getting interested in it again. I like some technical death metal now and then, but generally metal must be horrible and crude and reek of sewers and rotten corpses.
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 00:33
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Option #3. It is not my favourite subgenre (I usually prefer Symph, Eclectic, Xover, Zeuhl or Heavy), but well worth a try now and then. ------------- 
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 00:49
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It would probably be more helpful if what the OP meant by prog metal was defined, at least loosely. Because prog metal is fairly meaningless without qualification, covering a wide variety of sounds and styles, and having changed, evolved and (yes) progressed over decades. There are definitely some styles of metal (prog or otherwise) that I struggle to find something I enjoy much (or at all), and other styles where I’m far more likely to enjoy listening to them. But I wouldn’t avoid any style of music. I’m willing to give anything a go, because who knows until you’ve listened to something whether or not you will like it? Yes, you can have a good idea whether or not you might like something, or not - and more often than not, that idea probably turns out to be right. But there have been so many occasions where I’ve been surprised to really enjoy something. I would never tell anyone that the way the choose to listen to music is wrong, and I’m not one of those “open minded” snobs who believe that anyone who doesn’t have an open mind is bad. But I do wonder, because of how vague the OP is, how much is being included/avoided in the definition of prog metal. For example, there are three prog metal “genres” in PA, and an acknowledged crossover with some other PA genres. Outside PA, the “genre” brutal prog is recognised, but within PA brutal prog bands can be found more or less evenly between RIO/Avant and the two outlying prog metal genres. Also outside PA, a lot of what is called heavy prog in PA is simply considered prog metal. It is definitely not uncommon, for example, to hear Rush called prog metal. ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 00:51
The only Progressive Metal bands I listen to are Ayreon and Dream Theater, but I listen to an Epica mount of Symphonic Metal. 
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 01:40
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As those who were around years ago will remember, I used to listen to quite a lot of 'traditional' Prog & Symph-Prog Metal and still enjoy a lot of it when I hear it, but own precious little now. I haven't actually heard Dream Theater's new album yet for instance, which would have been unheard of a decade ago. That isn't because I have an aversion to it or am not interested; more that I think I hit a mental brick wall with metal in general because I didn't feel it was saying anything new to me. What I would say is I've stepped back from the heavier stuff though; Communic's Waves Of Visual Decay is unlikely to get much future airplay for instance... it's arguably their best album, but too heavy for my tastes these days.
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 01:43
Give the first two Circus Maximus albums a try, Paul...
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 01:48
David, which are the 10 PM albums you like? We might be able to point you in the direction of something similar?
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 01:48
You'd think he would try listening to that because he says he likes DT, but I have my doubts.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 02:09
It's just a question of finding the time... I still have all of the albums to listen to in the 2nd Symphonic Metal poll as well as somehow finding the time to listen to most of the albums (excluding Avant Prog) in the 4th Modern Prog poll.
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Posted By: PhideauxFan
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 02:11
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I like many progressive metal bands but not all the genre. In fact like progressive rock and post-rock, and also classic rock.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 02:15
There's always an excuse, isn't there? You showed off and mocked me once saying you listened to progressive metal before I ever did. And yet you have never explored the genre beyond two bands. How many Dream Theater albums have you listened to? I'm curious, sorry about that...
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 02:21
^ I've just done a quick count... I have 33 (mostly Symphonic) Metal CD's in total, including 6 albums by Dream Theater, but nothing by Ayreon so far. 
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 02:21
Paul, I agree that time is of a premium for many of us; that's why I haven't gotten around to the new DT! Your approach however seems to be rather 'scatter gun'. If a fellow forum member, knowing my tastes, directed me toward a particular album, I'd listen, because there's a greater chance that I'd like it than from my own random trawling...
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 02:24
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^ My approach to music is the total opposite from "scatter gun". I always listen to artists and albums in alphabetical and chronological order.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 02:24
I didn't ask how many you own, but how many you have listened to so far. 6 albums you say? Which ones? DT have released 15 albums + A Change of Seasons + a couple of releases of songs that have not made it onto albums.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 02:28
My Dream Theater CD collection:- Images and Words Greatest Hit A Change of Seasons Octavarium Falling into Infinity Train of Thought
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 02:30
so 4 albums, an EP and a compilation. Do you like Train of Thought? I just don't see you listening to that TBH.
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 02:34
It is absolutely NOT the total opposite of scatter gun. You may always listen to artists and albums in alphabetical and chronological order, but the way you find those artists and albums definitely tends to be scattergun, and you definitely tend to (repeatedly) ignore suggestions for things you might enjoy more. 🙄 You are a stubborn, obstinate and obtuse person. But I do enjoy reading your posts, as you amuse me with your bloody-mindedness and wilful ignorance. Carry on! ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 02:38
You're right. I'm not keen on Train of Thought at all. I only bought it on the strength of Dream Theater's previous albums and I've only listened to it once.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 02:41
What are you thumbing down again here?
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 02:44
I know I'm as guilty as anyone in this regard, so this will be my last post concerning this particular side-alley, but I do find it amusing how so many of these threads swiftly become Paul-orientated.. Paul, your approach is one of a very organised scatter-gun. Alphabetical it may be, but it's still random and therefore time-consuming. How many albums have you listened to and discarded as not to your tastes? You say there are some PM albums you really enjoy. Well, Nick, Cristi and I would be more than capable of drawing you up a list of 10 albums you'd have a very significant chance of enjoying very much... but you don't want any help.. 
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Posted By: Rick1
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 02:45
| Good bands use metal as only a part of their sonic palette; other bands use the term to market themselves... |
Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 02:45
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Usually but not always... I have a couple of Dream Theater albums (the earlier work), two Queensrÿche albums (Operation Mindcrime and Empire), two Savatage albums (of which I actually only really enjoy one: Gutter Ballet) and I think that's about it. I've listened to much more, also from these same bands, but most of it leaves me rather indifferent or is more of the same or just annoys me (especially when djent and the double bass drum seem to become something obligatory without doing it justice to the music...); to my ears it is often very formulaic (as is a lot of music, prog included, anyway).
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 02:51
Train of Thought is my least favourite Dream Theater album, so I'm hardly likely to give it a thumbs up.
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Posted By: VianaProghead
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 02:51
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Not usually (I like quite a bit of it). ------------- "PROG IS MY FERRARI". Jem Godfrey (Frost*) |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 02:59
Nobody uses the thumbs down emoticon to express dislike for an artist or album, only you. It feels arrogant TBH.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 03:11
When else am I going to use the thumbs down icon other than expressing my dislike for an artist or album?
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 03:15
When someone behaves inappropriately for example. Also you have expressed your dislike through words, there's no need for the emoticon, it's redundant. |
Posted By: Duddick
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 03:27
| I really don’t like anything metal-related. I just can’t get into it. No prob with old school heavy rock though…. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 03:28
what do you mean by "old school heavy rock"? Is it Sabbath, Heep and Purple? Budgie, High Tide and Rainbow?
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 03:36
Well, I would never give any of your posts the thumbs down. That would be rude. To be honest, I wouldn't have bought Dream Theater's Train of Thought if I'd listened to the album first.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 03:37
when did you buy it?
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 03:44
I couldn't tell you the exact year but I remember buying Train of Thought before 2010, when I first went online. Even now, I often buy albums without hearing them first, but that's usually because they only cost £1 from a charity shop or car boot sale, so I don't have much to lose.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 03:52
plus maybe a new discovery, Riverside  ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 03:53
You could still listen to it somewhere online. I remember listening to Systematic Chaos somewhere and to this day it's one of the least favorite DT albums for me, glad I didn't buy it before listening.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 04:01
Fates Warning (USA) The Spectre
Within (Prog, a. 2014) (1985) Psychotic Waltz (USA) Into the Everflow (Prog, a. 2010) (1992) Gordian Knot (USA) Gordian Knot (Prog, a. 2009) (1999) Tool Lateralus (Alternative/Prog, a. 2010) (2001) Aesma Daeva (USA) The
Eros of Frigid Beauty (Symph/Goth/Prog, a. 2022 Taal (F) Skymind (Prog, a. 2011) (2002) OSI (USA) Office Of Strategic Influence (Prog, a. 2012) (2003) Indukti (PL) S.U.S.A.R. (Prog, a. 2011) (2004) Riverside (PL) Second Life Syndrome (Prog, a. 2018) (2005) I can tell that I like best heavy and organic, not synthetic sound, and not much Pop-influence. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 04:11
 I've noticed, but then I can say that the last 15 years, my approach has been very systematical, as well (top lists). ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 05:03
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Sometimes. Depends on my mood. Makes a great companion for yardwork. ------------- Welcome to the middle of the film. |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 05:55
Until I first went online in 2010, I had no idea you could listen to music on the Internet, mainly because I still thought You Tube was the name of a TV show. Not surprisingly, I'm no fan of Dream Theater's Systematic Chaos album either, although I'll resist the temptation to give it a thumbs down.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 06:25
How does anyone not know about the internet in 2010?
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 06:37
| I prefer Systematic Chaos more than Train of Thought, The Astonishing, Octavarium, self titled, or A View from the Top of the World. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 06:42
Over The Astonishing, yes, i agree, as for the rest, not quite. I still need to listen to the new one some more. I enjoyed Distance Over Time a lot more.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 06:53
I must have led a sheltered life.  In my defence though, there were no full albums on YouTube in 2010 - videos were still limited to 15 minutes duration back then.
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Posted By: Greenmist
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 07:05
| No, i like prog metal. I was a metal fan first before i was into any prog music. Got into Arena in 2004, got into Savatage in 2006, into Threshold and Dreamscape in 2007. Then eventually gave classic prog rock goes. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 07:07
I still find that hard to believe. It's still 2010, not the 90s or early 2000s.
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Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 07:10
If it is bullets we are talking about while saying "progressive metal"s, I surely stay away from them. If I had the powers of Neo though, I could stop them. Did I say Neo? I missed our Neo-Prog discussions with Paul. I was using a different account then, though. |
Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 07:24
| As a serious answer, I can say I abhor djent, which infested and contaminated prog metal. I like intelligently odd time signatures, not moronic djenty garbage. |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 07:31
It's not that hard to believe. Don't forget, there was no YouTube before 2005.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 07:43
It's not that hard to believe. Don't forget, there was no YouTube before 2005. [/QUOTE]
No, I mean anyone not familiar with the internet in 2010.
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Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 07:57
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^ He didn't say he didn't know that the internet exists. He just didn't know one can listen to music on the internet. There should be lots of people who still don't use the internet. It is not THAT weird. |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 07:59
Who are some of your favourite Prog Metal bands? ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 08:01
Symphony X, Beyond Twilight, Vanden Plas, Royal Hunt, Conception... |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 08:05
He's from England, so that's why I find it hard to believe he wasn't familiar with the internet until 2010.
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Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 08:07
| ^ It is very easy to believe for me, not even surprising. |
Posted By: zwordser
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 08:08
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I like most prog metal, and most of it that I've come to be familiar with is/was due to PA! I was never a real "metal head" growing up (except some early Rush); now I like it more than ever, and have even gotten into some of the growls (which I used to despise). But nearly all my friends who like Prog (to some degree--few are actually "prog-heads" like I am) do NOT generally like the prog metal I've presented to them. BTW, so far, this poll seems to verify the conversation of just a couple days ago in my random shuffle post: (someone suggested PA was becoming "metal archives" but this comment was met with much disagreement, and I suggested heavier tracks seemed not to do as well in the random polls).
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 08:09
ok if you believe that, I just do not.
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Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 08:11
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^ Oh, you believe Paul is lying here... OK, I'm not his advocate after all.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 08:13
Not lying, inventing stories, maybe joking, maybe trolling.
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Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 08:17
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^ Technically, you're saying he's lying about not having been familiar with the internet before the year 2010. I didn't say you accuse him of being a liar. According to you, he is not telling the truth here. I would be surprised if that is the fact.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 09:20
As I seem to have seen it, most of Prog Metal is influenced by Neo-Prog, and what I like is that without this influence. At the same time, I don't like growling vocals, so it hasn't been easy for me with Prog Metal, and it has been some easier with non-Prog.
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 09:22
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I love metal like a tooth love drills. ------------- 
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 09:30
I'll check out those I don't know.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 09:47
| I can't believe someone thinks Arena are prog metal. Ok, maybe the later stuff is but they certainly started out as more neo prog. |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 10:00
Would you also find it hard to believe that I've never owned a mobile phone?
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Posted By: wiz_d_kidd
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 10:10
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I stay pretty far away from it, but I do own a few titles: Ksiz - Nerve of War Liquid Tension Experiment - I and II Special Providence - Soul Alert The last two are more proggy and less metallic, IMO.
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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 10:27
Actually, I do find that hard to believe, not because mobile phones are such wonderful things and how could you be without one, but because there are forces at work pushing us all into having a smart phone simply to prove who we are. ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: Duddick
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 10:36
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 10:44
yes, how do you get in touch with people?
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Posted By: Duddick
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 10:44
Yes - all the above apart from Rainbow who came too late in the day for me and had metal traits
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 11:20
That's easy. Almost everyone I know lives locally, so if I want to keep in touch, I walk., and the only time I ever use a landline is to give a meter reading to my power company.
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Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 11:31
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Riverside is an amazing band that is labelled prog metal here. Not sure I agree on that label... but whatever... still an amazing band. I like Dream Theater and some of the other bands...but they are not in my top rank. I do avoid extreme prog metal though..... not a fan of screaming lyrics ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 11:58
I like the sound of Riverside too, having dipped my toes into their first three albums recently, without even realising they were labelled as Progressive Metal.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 12:09
even harder to believe, but whatever...
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 12:13
First 4 albums are progressive metal definitely. If we had multiple labels/tags, heavy prog and crossover could fit some of their music.
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Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 12:46
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I make exceptions for Dream Theater and Haken. But that's about it. ------------- The Prog Corner |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 12:58
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I'm a "Not Usually" choice. DT pre BC&SL, the newer material is boring to me. All of Riverside, that is prog metal. OSI LTE Haken ...stuff like that. -------------   
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 13:25
Their first album doesn't sound very Metal to me.
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 13:28
I believe it. He didn’t say he didn’t know about the Internet. It is perfectly believable that Paul went online for the first time in 2010, and just as believable that as he was only just beginning to use the Internet, that he would not necessarily know all he could do on it. It’s entirely believable that he would not know he could listen to music on YouTube. And I could also easily believe he has never owned a mobile phone. Plenty of people don’t, and although I do, I barely use it as anything more than a glorified iPod. It’s a hand me down from my wife, as I never found the need for a mobile phone, and if I’m using it at all, it’s usually only to play music. And that’s music I’ve loaded onto the phone, as I’ve never streamed music on my phone. I know people that had never used the Internet until after 2010, so Paul going online only then is not as unbelievable as you seem to think. Given what we can infer of Paul’s character and idiosyncrasies by his posts, it seems to me highly likely that Paul is telling the truth here. I can definitely believe he had not used the Internet prior to 2010, that he was unaware he could listen to music on YouTube, and that he has never had a mobile phone. ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 13:30
"very metal"? what does it even mean? Even metalstorm classifies them as progressive metal https://metalstorm.net/bands/band.php?band_id=536&bandname=Riverside" rel="nofollow - https://metalstorm.net/bands/band.php?band_id=536&bandname=Riverside
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 13:48
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rude and very unprecise ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 14:02
is the "rude" adjective for me? How am I rude? Or is it if i ask you anything, I'm instantly rude? Sorry about that, I'm not gonna ask you anything anymore then.
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Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 14:24
| ^ I figure those pejorative words are meant to address metal music. Rude, it can be OK. At least understandable, whilst I beg to differ. But unprecise? Any music can be performed with good or bad precision. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 14:31
What about Ayreon and Riverside?
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 14:49
| Prog metal is a genre I listen to less as I become geriatric, but I still enjoy it. |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 15:58
No, it was a comment to Cristi. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 16:02
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^ Oh then, rude can make sense but unprecise can't. Same thing different target.
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