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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Two already mentioned....Mike Holmes and Dave Gregory.
Not sure if he's underrated but Donald 'buck dharma' Roeser from BOC....at least I don't see him on many lists.



ThisClap. I wanted to mention him, but thought he was relatively well-known. On the other hand, he does not get as much love as other guitarists, though he's one of the very best.
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Two already mentioned....Mike Holmes and Dave Gregory.
Not sure if he's underrated but Donald 'buck dharma' Roeser from BOC....at least I don't see him on many lists.

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I'll go with Jean and say Roman Bunka of Embryo. Such a great guitar player, and he plays the oud too! And his first solo album "Dein Kopf ist ein schlafendes Auto" is one of the very best albums of the 80s and among my personal favorites. And no-one but Jean and me ever mentions him, which is an absolute shame. You guys should most definitely listen to the examples Jean gave in her post.

Someone named Eddy Marron which is not a bad call either.


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^ Excellent choice! Andy Partridge is a bit underrated too IMO.

Good call on Justin Hayward back there; most often celebrated for his vocals and songwriting, but he could play some real tasty guitar. 

Ok, how 'bout Pye Hastings? 
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Underrated? I don't know but I go with Dave Gregory. 
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Originally posted by flyingveepixie flyingveepixie wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Good call on Justin Hayward (from the Moody Blues) Also:

Peter Banks (original Yes guitarist)
Andy Latimer (Camel)
Mike Holmes (IQ)
Anthony Phillips (very early Genesis and solo)
Jan Akkerman (Focus)
Alan Morse (Spock's Beard)
Rich Berends (Mastermind)
Ed Wynne (Ozric Tentacles)
Rich Williams/Kerry Livgren (Kansas)
Alex Lifeson (Rush and yes I do feel he is underappreciated to an extent)
Trevor Rabin (Doesn't get the respect he deserves from some yes fans so I throw him in here as well)
Martin Barre (Jethro Tull)
Roye Albrighton (RIP) (Nektar)

Of course there are plenty of others as well.








Lifeson, Rabin and Barre have between them sold well in excess of 100 million albums.

Rabin is also a fabulously successful composer of Hollywood film scores and the single "Lift me up"  which Rabin co wrote with Squire for the album "Union" spent 6 weeks at the number one position on the billboard album rock tracks chart. 

Latimer also clocks up album sales in the multiple millions. 

Justin Hayward has recently been inducted into the Rock and Roll hall of fame.

Jan Akkerman was well appreciated as a guitarist in the 70s and Focus even had commercial singles success completely outside the sphere of prog or fusion. 

Ant Phillips is an oddball who suffers from stagefright which I believe was his primary reason for quitting Genesis - if he had stayed he would undoubtedly have reaped the rewards. I believe he is a very fine 12 string player who has contributed to several albums for others outside of Genesis and on his own - he is perhaps a qualifier. 

Peter Banks may also be a qualifier but I must confess to not knowing any of his work outside of his fairly minor contributions to Yes - there is an article about him on Wikipedia which describes him as "the architect of progressive music" (a bit off the mark perhaps). 

Admittedly I haven't heard of the rest of the guitarists on your list so they may well also be qualifiers but I really don't think that Lifeson et al as mentioned above in this post have a look in on this poll....as successful and famous as they all are.....

In my own (probably irrelevant) opinion the term "underappreciated" equates very well with the term "unknown".   Most of the bands and musicians who are listed as artists here on PA and virtually all of the posters on this forum who are guitarists are completely unknown and equally unappreciated...

Thanks for sharing your views. Album sales are mostly irrelevant in my opinion since we are talking about individual musicians. Anyway, I suppose we all have our own opinions and criteria for what we consider under-appreciated. All the guitarists I mentioned are in my opinion more under appreciated than Steve Howe and Steve Hackett who I both feel are vastly under appreciated in non prog circles so now maybe you can get a sense for why I chose all of these guitarists. 


Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - October 22 2018 at 07:28
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Originally posted by flyingveepixie flyingveepixie wrote:


Or perhaps the term is best expressed as a function of album sales which is the only real and true measure of both appreciation and success....??

I don't think so. If people buy a Yes album with Trevor Rabin on it, this doesn't mean that they think he is a top guitarist. There are all kinds of other reasons to buy an album. Some people even might buy a Steve Hackett album because they like his songs and musical style rather than being interested in guitar skills.
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

That's the problem with a term such as "under-appreciated"; people interpret it differently and it is subjective in a weird way because it is not only about assessing one's own opinion but also about the opinions of other people. It may mean "almost unknown" but on the other hand if you think that Andy Latimer is the number one guitarist in prog then you could legitimately claim he is under-appreciated despite him being quite well appreciated overall... one could also argue that it is entirely different from "unknown" and rather means "better than people think" which is an empty statement as long as somebody is unknown so not many people think anything about this person.

Some guitarists that for me a really among the very best in prog and generally are Adrian Belew, Fred Frith and Peter Wolbrandt (of Kraan). All of these are more or less well known and even well appreciated, but you'd probably find them on few top 10 lists of guitarists and they'd certainly feature on mine.


Or perhaps the term is best expressed as a function of album sales which is the only real and true measure of both appreciation and success....??


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PS: As I don't esteem Trevor Rabin very highly as a guitarist (and I'm not even saying this as a huge Yes fan), AFlowerKingCrimson has a point there - compared to him I certainly underappreciate that guy. (It's fun strengthening your nomination by disagreeing with it. Tongue)


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That's the problem with a term such as "under-appreciated"; people interpret it differently and it is subjective in a weird way because it is not only about assessing one's own opinion but also about the opinions of other people. It may mean "almost unknown" but on the other hand if you think that Andy Latimer is the number one guitarist in prog then you could legitimately claim he is under-appreciated despite him being quite well appreciated overall... one could also argue that it is entirely different from "unknown" and rather means "better than people think" which is an empty statement as long as somebody is unknown so not many people think anything about this person.

Some guitarists that for me a really among the very best in prog and generally are Adrian Belew, Fred Frith and Peter Wolbrandt (of Kraan). All of these are more or less well known and even well appreciated, but you'd probably find them on few top 10 lists of guitarists and they'd certainly feature on mine.


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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Good call on Justin Hayward (from the Moody Blues) Also:

Peter Banks (original Yes guitarist)
Andy Latimer (Camel)
Mike Holmes (IQ)
Anthony Phillips (very early Genesis and solo)
Jan Akkerman (Focus)
Alan Morse (Spock's Beard)
Rich Berends (Mastermind)
Ed Wynne (Ozric Tentacles)
Rich Williams/Kerry Livgren (Kansas)
Alex Lifeson (Rush and yes I do feel he is underappreciated to an extent)
Trevor Rabin (Doesn't get the respect he deserves from some yes fans so I throw him in here as well)
Martin Barre (Jethro Tull)
Roye Albrighton (RIP) (Nektar)

Of course there are plenty of others as well.








Lifeson, Rabin and Barre have between them sold well in excess of 100 million albums.

Rabin is also a fabulously successful composer of Hollywood film scores and the single "Lift me up"  which Rabin co wrote with Squire for the album "Union" spent 6 weeks at the number one position on the billboard album rock tracks chart. 

Latimer also clocks up album sales in the multiple millions. 

Justin Hayward has recently been inducted into the Rock and Roll hall of fame.

Jan Akkerman was well appreciated as a guitarist in the 70s and Focus even had commercial singles success completely outside the sphere of prog or fusion. 




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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

OP here, thanks, good stuff, keep it up!!  

In honor of our own PresDoug, I'll nominate Helmut Köllen from Triumvirate!! 

Like Greg Lake, he was an excellent plectrum-style bassist who also excelled on 6-string!!  Sadly, he passed away far too young. 

Doug once sent me Helmut's solo CD, which was excellent!!  Thanks, Doug!! Clap
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Originally posted by ReactioninG ReactioninG wrote:

Ian Bairnson

Yep. Played with the Alan Parsons Project and was also on Jon Anderson's "Song of Seven" album.
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OP here, thanks, good stuff, keep it up!!  

In honor of our own PresDoug, I'll nominate Helmut Köllen from Triumvirate!! 

Like Greg Lake, he was an excellent plectrum-style bassist who also excelled on 6-string!!  Sadly, he passed away far too young. 

Doug once sent me Helmut's solo CD, which was excellent!!  Thanks, Doug!! Clap
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Originally posted by dwill123 dwill123 wrote:

I have several which I may list later but my favorite under-appreciated guitarist is easily Frank Gambale.  Most known for his stint with Chick Corea Elektric Band and Chick Corea's RTFIV.  Here is a guitar performance from his web site.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Steve Rothery
Hmm...I'm not quite sure if Rothery is unappreciated or just unknown outside of prog circles.

I would say both. I would probably list him myself but since he was already mentioned I'll just second it. 
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Good call on Justin Hayward (from the Moody Blues) Also:

Peter Banks (original Yes guitarist)
Andy Latimer (Camel)
Mike Holmes (IQ)
Anthony Phillips (very early Genesis and solo)
Jan Akkerman (Focus)
Alan Morse (Spock's Beard)
Rich Berends (Mastermind)
Ed Wynne (Ozric Tentacles)
Rich Williams/Kerry Livgren (Kansas)
Alex Lifeson (Rush and yes I do feel he is underappreciated to an extent)
Trevor Rabin (Doesn't get the respect he deserves from some yes fans so I throw him in here as well)
Martin Barre (Jethro Tull)
Roye Albrighton (RIP) (Nektar)

Of course there are plenty of others as well.








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