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Topic: Who is your favorite under-appreciated guitarist?Posted By: cstack3
Subject: Who is your favorite under-appreciated guitarist?
Date Posted: October 20 2018 at 23:23
Let me start... Prog has many under-appreciated musicians, and being a guitarist myself, I tend to gravitate to that instrument.
One of my favorite under-appreciated prog guitarists is the Moody Blues' Justin Hayward! He wrung an incredible sound from his Gibson ES-335, and is not often mentioned in the polls dominated by Howe, Hackett, Fripp etc.!
Here's a nice one of his! Who is your suggested under-appreciated guitarist? (please, just name one, not a whole list!)
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Replies: Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 21 2018 at 00:42
Ian Crichton
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: October 21 2018 at 01:18
most definitely Roman Bunka.
go to 33:54 in this example and you can hear why.
or listen to this:
or this:
or watch this video:
this is some excellent and highly original guitar playing
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: October 21 2018 at 03:20
Eddy Marron! He was responsible for some astonishing playing in Vita Nova, Dzyan, Missus Beastly, Free Sound, and Giger Lenz Marron, yet is unjustly obscured and under the radar for so many.
Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: October 21 2018 at 04:28
John Mitchell. Although a multi-instrumentalist, vocalist and producer; his guitar work with Arena, It Bites, Frost*' Kino, Lonely Robot or even as guest guitarist on other artist's work, is always immaculate, varied and nuanced. His solos are never flashy or intricate just for the sake of it - adding atmosphere and impact to songs. He produces a lovely emotional tone when needed, but can also provide a unselfish, solid background to let other prog musicians soar.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: October 21 2018 at 04:30
Steve Rothery
Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: October 21 2018 at 04:42
I have several which I may list later but my favorite under-appreciated guitarist is easily Frank Gambale. Most known for his stint with Chick Corea Elektric Band and Chick Corea's RTFIV. Here is a guitar performance from his web site.
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: October 21 2018 at 04:49
Cristi wrote:
Steve Rothery
Hmm...I'm not quite sure if Rothery is unappreciated or just unknown outside of prog circles.
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Posted By: ReactioninG
Date Posted: October 21 2018 at 10:01
Ian Bairnson
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: October 21 2018 at 10:55
Although not a progger, William Reid of The Jesus and Mary Chain. Reid's control of feedback, multitude of riffs and melodic leads to die for plus a highly varied approach. William probably couldn't replicate a Dream Theater lead but William wrote some of my favorite guitar music.
I'm a Mick Ronson fan too. He could sure play guitar. Lindsey Buckingham also is underrated.
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: October 21 2018 at 11:27
Good call on Justin Hayward (from the Moody Blues) Also:
Peter Banks (original Yes guitarist)
Andy Latimer (Camel)
Mike Holmes (IQ)
Anthony Phillips (very early Genesis and solo)
Jan Akkerman (Focus)
Alan Morse (Spock's Beard)
Rich Berends (Mastermind)
Ed Wynne (Ozric Tentacles)
Rich Williams/Kerry Livgren (Kansas)
Alex Lifeson (Rush and yes I do feel he is underappreciated to an extent)
Trevor Rabin (Doesn't get the respect he deserves from some yes fans so I throw him in here as well)
Martin Barre (Jethro Tull)
Roye Albrighton (RIP) (Nektar)
Of course there are plenty of others as well.
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: October 21 2018 at 11:31
SteveG wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Steve Rothery
Hmm...I'm not quite sure if Rothery is unappreciated or just unknown outside of prog circles.
I would say both. I would probably list him myself but since he was already mentioned I'll just second it.
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 21 2018 at 12:54
dwill123 wrote:
I have several which I may list later but my favorite under-appreciated guitarist is easily Frank Gambale. Most known for his stint with Chick Corea Elektric Band and Chick Corea's RTFIV. Here is a guitar performance from his web site.
Master of the "sweep" .
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: October 21 2018 at 13:32
OP here, thanks, good stuff, keep it up!!
In honor of our own PresDoug, I'll nominate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmut_K%C3%B6llen" rel="nofollow - Helmut Köllen from Triumvirate!!
Like Greg Lake, he was an excellent plectrum-style bassist who also excelled on 6-string!! Sadly, he passed away far too young.
Doug once sent me Helmut's solo CD, which was excellent!! Thanks, Doug!!
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: October 21 2018 at 14:37
ReactioninG wrote:
Ian Bairnson
Yep. Played with the Alan Parsons Project and was also on Jon Anderson's "Song of Seven" album.
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: October 21 2018 at 16:45
cstack3 wrote:
OP here, thanks, good stuff, keep it up!!
In honor of our own PresDoug, I'll nominate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmut_K%C3%B6llen" rel="nofollow - Helmut Köllen from Triumvirate!!
Like Greg Lake, he was an excellent plectrum-style bassist who also excelled on 6-string!! Sadly, he passed away far too young.
Doug once sent me Helmut's solo CD, which was excellent!! Thanks, Doug!!
Hey, Chuck, thanks so much for your words, and it is not a common occurrence when someone writes a message of reverence and respect for Helmut, even in prog circles. That means a whole lot to me, and maybe it will motivate more people in PA to listen to his sublime recordings in Triumvirat, the group Jail, and his criminally overlooked solo album. All Hail Helmut!
Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: October 21 2018 at 21:51
Henry Kaiser Tony Duhig
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: October 21 2018 at 22:18
Posted By: flyingveepixie
Date Posted: October 22 2018 at 01:04
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
Good call on Justin Hayward (from the Moody Blues) Also:
Peter Banks (original Yes guitarist)
Andy Latimer (Camel)
Mike Holmes (IQ)
Anthony Phillips (very early Genesis and solo)
Jan Akkerman (Focus)
Alan Morse (Spock's Beard)
Rich Berends (Mastermind)
Ed Wynne (Ozric Tentacles)
Rich Williams/Kerry Livgren (Kansas)
Alex Lifeson (Rush and yes I do feel he is underappreciated to an extent)
Trevor Rabin (Doesn't get the respect he deserves from some yes fans so I throw him in here as well)
Martin Barre (Jethro Tull)
Roye Albrighton (RIP) (Nektar)
Of course there are plenty of others as well.
Lifeson, Rabin and Barre have between them sold well in excess of 100 million albums.
Rabin is also a fabulously successful composer of Hollywood film scores and the single "Lift me up" which Rabin co wrote with Squire for the album "Union" spent 6 weeks at the number one position on the billboard album rock tracks chart.
Latimer also clocks up album sales in the multiple millions.
Justin Hayward has recently been inducted into the Rock and Roll hall of fame.
Jan Akkerman was well appreciated as a guitarist in the 70s and Focus even had commercial singles success completely outside the sphere of prog or fusion.
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: October 22 2018 at 05:36
That's the problem with a term such as "under-appreciated"; people interpret it differently and it is subjective in a weird way because it is not only about assessing one's own opinion but also about the opinions of other people. It may mean "almost unknown" but on the other hand if you think that Andy Latimer is the number one guitarist in prog then you could legitimately claim he is under-appreciated despite him being quite well appreciated overall... one could also argue that it is entirely different from "unknown" and rather means "better than people think" which is an empty statement as long as somebody is unknown so not many people think anything about this person.
Some guitarists that for me a really among the very best in prog and generally are Adrian Belew, Fred Frith and Peter Wolbrandt (of Kraan). All of these are more or less well known and even well appreciated, but you'd probably find them on few top 10 lists of guitarists and they'd certainly feature on mine.
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: October 22 2018 at 05:44
PS: As I don't esteem Trevor Rabin very highly as a guitarist (and I'm not even saying this as a huge Yes fan), AFlowerKingCrimson has a point there - compared to him I certainly underappreciate that guy. (It's fun strengthening your nomination by disagreeing with it. )
Posted By: flyingveepixie
Date Posted: October 22 2018 at 06:03
Lewian wrote:
That's the problem with a term such as "under-appreciated"; people interpret it differently and it is subjective in a weird way because it is not only about assessing one's own opinion but also about the opinions of other people. It may mean "almost unknown" but on the other hand if you think that Andy Latimer is the number one guitarist in prog then you could legitimately claim he is under-appreciated despite him being quite well appreciated overall... one could also argue that it is entirely different from "unknown" and rather means "better than people think" which is an empty statement as long as somebody is unknown so not many people think anything about this person.
Some guitarists that for me a really among the very best in prog and generally are Adrian Belew, Fred Frith and Peter Wolbrandt (of Kraan). All of these are more or less well known and even well appreciated, but you'd probably find them on few top 10 lists of guitarists and they'd certainly feature on mine.
Or perhaps the term is best expressed as a function of album sales which is the only real and true measure of both appreciation and success....??
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: October 22 2018 at 06:45
flyingveepixie wrote:
Or perhaps the term is best expressed as a function of album sales which is the only real and true measure of both appreciation and success....??
I don't think so. If people buy a Yes album with Trevor Rabin on it, this doesn't mean that they think he is a top guitarist. There are all kinds of other reasons to buy an album. Some people even might buy a Steve Hackett album because they like his songs and musical style rather than being interested in guitar skills.
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: October 22 2018 at 07:26
flyingveepixie wrote:
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
Good call on Justin Hayward (from the Moody Blues) Also:
Peter Banks (original Yes guitarist)
Andy Latimer (Camel)
Mike Holmes (IQ)
Anthony Phillips (very early Genesis and solo)
Jan Akkerman (Focus)
Alan Morse (Spock's Beard)
Rich Berends (Mastermind)
Ed Wynne (Ozric Tentacles)
Rich Williams/Kerry Livgren (Kansas)
Alex Lifeson (Rush and yes I do feel he is underappreciated to an extent)
Trevor Rabin (Doesn't get the respect he deserves from some yes fans so I throw him in here as well)
Martin Barre (Jethro Tull)
Roye Albrighton (RIP) (Nektar)
Of course there are plenty of others as well.
Lifeson, Rabin and Barre have between them sold well in excess of 100 million albums.
Rabin is also a fabulously successful composer of Hollywood film scores and the single "Lift me up" which Rabin co wrote with Squire for the album "Union" spent 6 weeks at the number one position on the billboard album rock tracks chart.
Latimer also clocks up album sales in the multiple millions.
Justin Hayward has recently been inducted into the Rock and Roll hall of fame.
Jan Akkerman was well appreciated as a guitarist in the 70s and Focus even had commercial singles success completely outside the sphere of prog or fusion.
Ant Phillips is an oddball who suffers from stagefright which I believe was his primary reason for quitting Genesis - if he had stayed he would undoubtedly have reaped the rewards. I believe he is a very fine 12 string player who has contributed to several albums for others outside of Genesis and on his own - he is perhaps a qualifier.
Peter Banks may also be a qualifier but I must confess to not knowing any of his work outside of his fairly minor contributions to Yes - there is an article about him on Wikipedia which describes him as "the architect of progressive music" (a bit off the mark perhaps).
Admittedly I haven't heard of the rest of the guitarists on your list so they may well also be qualifiers but I really don't think that Lifeson et al as mentioned above in this post have a look in on this poll....as successful and famous as they all are.....
In my own (probably irrelevant) opinion the term "underappreciated" equates very well with the term "unknown". Most of the bands and musicians who are listed as artists here on PA and virtually all of the posters on this forum who are guitarists are completely unknown and equally unappreciated...
Thanks for sharing your views. Album sales are mostly irrelevant in my opinion since we are talking about individual musicians. Anyway, I suppose we all have our own opinions and criteria for what we consider under-appreciated. All the guitarists I mentioned are in my opinion more under appreciated than Steve Howe and Steve Hackett who I both feel are vastly under appreciated in non prog circles so now maybe you can get a sense for why I chose all of these guitarists.
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Date Posted: October 22 2018 at 07:41
Ian Fitch - The Future Kings Of England
Trey Spruance - Secret Chiefs 3
Paul Lai - Upsilon Acrux
Kavus Torabi - Knifeworld
James MacGaw - Magma
Frank Fromy - Shub-Niggurath
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Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: October 22 2018 at 09:03
Underrated? I don't know but I go with Dave Gregory.
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: October 22 2018 at 09:22
^ Excellent choice! Andy Partridge is a bit underrated too IMO.
Good call on Justin Hayward back there; most often celebrated for his vocals and songwriting, but he could play some real tasty guitar.
Ok, how 'bout Pye Hastings?
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: October 22 2018 at 09:23
I'll go with Jean and say Roman Bunka of Embryo. Such a great guitar player, and he plays the oud too! And his first solo album "Dein Kopf ist ein schlafendes Auto" is one of the very best albums of the 80s and among my personal favorites. And no-one but Jean and me ever mentions him, which is an absolute shame. You guys should most definitely listen to the examples Jean gave in her post.
Someone named Eddy Marron which is not a bad call either.
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: October 22 2018 at 11:30
Two already mentioned....Mike Holmes and Dave Gregory.
Not sure if he's underrated but Donald 'buck dharma' Roeser from BOC....at least I don't see him on many lists.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: October 22 2018 at 12:55
dr wu23 wrote:
Two already mentioned....Mike Holmes and Dave Gregory.
Not sure if he's underrated but Donald 'buck dharma' Roeser from BOC....at least I don't see him on many lists.
This. I wanted to mention him, but thought he was relatively well-known. On the other hand, he does not get as much love as other guitarists, though he's one of the very best.
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: October 22 2018 at 13:40
Buck's not an unknown, but he's definitely UNDERappreciated! IMO, he's a lead guitarist who can hang with just about anybody, but unlike most (and like his contemporary Ronnie Montrose), he's a master of tone and melodicism. And these new young rock guitarists — sheesh, they can't play a solo if you spray WD-40 all over their fretboards.
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: October 22 2018 at 14:08
BaldFriede wrote:
I'll go with Jean and say Roman Bunka of Embryo. Such a great guitar player, and he plays the oud too! And his first solo album "Dein Kopf ist ein schlafendes Auto" is one of the very best albums of the 80s and among my personal favorites. And no-one but Jean and me ever mentions him, which is an absolute shame. You guys should most definitely listen to the examples Jean gave in her post.
Someone named Eddy Marron which is not a bad call either.
Speaking of German guitarists(at least I assume the guy from Embryo is German)I would like to nominate Manuel Gottsching from Ash Ra Tempel and also a solo artist. I think he's almost the textbook definition of an under rated guitarist.
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: October 22 2018 at 14:38
My favorite underappreciated guitarist isn't even a prog guy. He's Pat McManus of Mama's Boys fame! The man's talent is immense. He's literally Gary Moore II!
The McManus brothers (Pat, John, Tommy) were born into a family of musicians. At a young age, he was a champion fiddler in his neck o' the woods in Ireland. Pat and his sister went and saw Horslips live and were blown away by their inventive fusion of Celtic and rock styles.
Inspired like a fire tornado to move into the realm of electricity, Pat shifted to guitar and "appointed" his John as bassist-vocalist and Tommy (R.I.P.) as drummer. They first called themselves Pulse and then changed the name of their band to Mama's Boys. They enjoyed some modest success in the U.K. but never really clicked in the States. They did, and do, have a loyal following. Their first several albums as a trio are some of the finest hard rock I've ever heard.
Mama's Boys opened for Thin Lizzy on occasion. I'm shocked Phil didn't try to lure Pat to Thin Lizzy. A quartet featuring both Pat and John Sykes on lead guitar probably would've been too much. They'd have left every venue in a shambles! But I'm glad the McManus clan remained intact up to a point, because those early Mama's Boys records are dynamite.
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: October 22 2018 at 14:46
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
Speaking of German guitarists(at least I assume the guy from Embryo is German)I would like to nominate Manuel Gottsching from Ash Ra Tempel and also a solo artist. I think he's almost the textbook definition of an under rated guitarist.
Manuel's awesome! His lines on Ashra's Correlations just sizzle.
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: October 22 2018 at 14:50
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
I'll go with Jean and say Roman Bunka of Embryo. Such a great guitar player, and he plays the oud too! And his first solo album "Dein Kopf ist ein schlafendes Auto" is one of the very best albums of the 80s and among my personal favorites. And no-one but Jean and me ever mentions him, which is an absolute shame. You guys should most definitely listen to the examples Jean gave in her post.
Someone named Eddy Marron which is not a bad call either.
Speaking of German guitarists(at least I assume the guy from Embryo is German)I would like to nominate Manuel Gottsching from Ash Ra Tempel and also a solo artist. I think he's almost the textbook definition of an under rated guitarist.
Roman Bunka is the son of a German diplomat and grew up in Beirut. He also took part in Embryo's famous trip to Pakistan and India. This is why there are a lot of Arabic and Indian influences in his playing, which makes him in my opinion one of the most interesting guitarists out there. He definitely deserves more recognition.
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: October 22 2018 at 15:03
I think it goes without saying that Edgar is likewise underappreciated in the realm of guitar.
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 22 2018 at 15:10
Raff wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
Two already mentioned....Mike Holmes and Dave Gregory.
Not sure if he's underrated but Donald 'buck dharma' Roeser from BOC....at least I don't see him on many lists.
This. I wanted to mention him, but thought he was relatively well-known. On the other hand, he does not get as much love as other guitarists, though he's one of the very best.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 22 2018 at 15:15
for me... the god of the Fender Strat... Hughie Thomasson.
even if you don't recognize the name.. you would recognize his signature greatness. The long standing #1 Mick ranked Blow thy Speaker song ever...
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: October 22 2018 at 18:24
Hm Ive never been into the "guitar-virtuoso" and generally considered the guitarist to be overappreciated. I do love good riffing and a genuine, egoless and attentive bandplayer. When it comes to soloing I seem to prefer the ones creating soundscapes and modes over the frenetic noodlers and the supermelodic ones. Early Terje Rypdal is my ideal guitarist and while he is well respected musician not all that appreciated on PA.
Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: October 22 2018 at 18:29
Tony MacAlpine
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: October 22 2018 at 18:31
flyingveepixie wrote:
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Justin Hayward has recently been inducted into the Rock and Roll hall of fame.
So what.
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: October 22 2018 at 18:50
Gary Green of 'Giant. He's no virtuoso, but he's very clean.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: October 22 2018 at 20:24
Rednight wrote:
Gary Green of 'Giant. He's no virtuoso, but he's very clean.
Good call. How do you define virtuoso though? I'd say he's as good as Martin Barre, David Gilmour or most other prog guitarists.
Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: October 22 2018 at 20:30
cstack3 wrote:
Let me start... Prog has many under-appreciated musicians, and being a guitarist myself, I tend to gravitate to that instrument.
One of my favorite under-appreciated prog guitarists is the Moody Blues' Justin Hayward! He wrung an incredible sound from his Gibson ES-335, and is not often mentioned in the polls dominated by Howe, Hackett, Fripp etc.!
Here's a nice one of his! Who is your suggested under-appreciated guitarist? (please, just name one, not a whole list!)
Nice choice. On a related note, he's also underappreciated as both songwriter and vocalist. He really is the whole musical package.
Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: October 22 2018 at 20:35
micky wrote:
for me... the god of the Fender Strat... Hughie Thomasson.
even if you don't recognize the name.. you would recognize his signature greatness. The long standing #1 Mick ranked Blow thy Speaker song ever...
Not prog... but I agree completely. I never tire of listening to Hughie.
Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: October 22 2018 at 20:41
Probably not popular in these parts, but I think Rich Williams of Kansas deserves far more praise.
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: October 22 2018 at 22:16
Lewian wrote:
That's the problem with a term such as "under-appreciated"; people interpret it differently and it is subjective in a weird way because it is not only about assessing one's own opinion but also about the opinions of other people.
That is exactly why I phrased the question as I did!!
Justin Hayward was indeed voted into the RRHOF, but I still find little written about his technique, style etc. in professional guitar periodicals. Hackett, Fripp, Howe and others seem to have sucked the air out of the room regarding prog guitar (my own opinion).
Some have mentioned the late Peter Banks...I consider him under-appreciated, even though he was very prominent in the formation of Yes. Later on, his style evolved from his angular jazz-rock phrasing to a style more like Steve Vai (his solo CD "Self Contained" showcases this style). Hear Peter shred!!
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: October 23 2018 at 03:24
How about Tony Hill?
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: October 24 2018 at 11:56
Saperlipopette! wrote:
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Early Terje Rypdal is my ideal guitarist and while he is well respected musician not all that appreciated on PA.
NP: Adagieto from EOS
I would think that two very special guitarists deserve a mention here, for their work, although for the most part I am not sure that most people can handle it ... these are strong, weird and further out in left field kind of position.
John Weinzierl - AD2 ... no one could use effects and placed an amazing sound in such incredible spots within the music. And he could also improvise from here to Pluto and back. Witness YETI, the main piece in the album, which is stated to be an improvisation!
Ax Genrich - Guru Guru first several albums. I picked up his 3 solo albums, because I thought this guy would be interesting and off his rock'er! Yep .. he is that and then some. But for sheer insanity and sound and noise, no one could come close to what he did on the first Guru Guru albums, and how 2 of those pieces are still played today left and right.
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Posted By: Cosmiclawnmower
Date Posted: October 24 2018 at 14:57
Phil Miller from Hatfield and the North/ National Health
Vincent Mc Cusker of Fruupp
John 'Charlie' Whitney of Family/ Streetwalkers
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Posted By: Cosmiclawnmower
Date Posted: October 24 2018 at 15:08
Micky Jones and Deke Leonard of Man.. 2 of the best, most inventive rock guitarists ever!!
And I agree whole heartedly regarding Donald 'Buck Dharma' Roeser of Blue Oyster Cult.. a fantastic rock guitarist.. as was Ronnie Montrose, also already mentioned,
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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: October 24 2018 at 16:56
I don't know if he is a virtuoso, but he is pretty skilled and very distinctive sounding, though he doesn't sacrifice the "song" to his technique, and he is Mirek Gil from Collage, Believe and Mr Gil.
The solo is after 3 mins
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: October 24 2018 at 17:09
The term virtuoso seems to be reserved for those who have some kind of technical ability(ie shredding)or classical training. I usually see it applied to the neo classicalists like Uli Jon Roth, Ygwie Malmsteen but also to Steve Morse, Al Dimeola as well as the guitar hero guys like Satriani and Steve Vai.
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: October 24 2018 at 21:51
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JP Louveton of Nemo
Adrian Jones (Nine Stones Close, Jet
Black Sea...)
Bruce Soord ,The Pineapple Thief
Phil Manzanera (Roxy Music, etc...)
Bastiaan Peeters of Odyssice
Mick Rogers of manfred Mann's Earth
Band
Steve Hillage (Gong and solo)
Mirek Gil of Collage and Believe
Janos Varga -his Janos Varga Project as
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Dave Lambert (Strawbs)
Gilbert Gandil of Pulsar
Dave Bainbridge (Iona and solo)
Jamie West-Oram of the non-prog the
Fixx
for now
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: October 24 2018 at 21:53
Hey, I said no lists!!
Good stuff, I've been waiting for Dave Lambert to show up! Well done!
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Posted By: USAGirl
Date Posted: October 25 2018 at 01:12
How about Muck Groh? Here his solo album "Muckef**k" (German word for ersatz coffee; has nothing to do with the f-word, so it is silly that this site hides the title).
He also plays the bass guitar on this album.
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Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: October 25 2018 at 07:43
Alex Sandor Szalay of the Hungarian Fusion/Symphonic band Panta Rhei
His brother Andras was also the Bassist of the group and is a excellent Underrated player too.
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: October 25 2018 at 07:49
If no one said him yet then Steven Wilson. A much better guitarist than given credit for.
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Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: October 25 2018 at 08:00
Agreed about Steve Wilson and my father recently a convert of his music
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: October 25 2018 at 08:09
I agree that Gary Green is one of those under-appreciated, but great guitarists.
Another one worth to be mentioned here is Denis Jalbert (Hamadryad).
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Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: October 25 2018 at 09:34
irrelevant wrote:
^ Excellent choice! Andy Partridge is a bit underrated too IMO.
Good call on Justin Hayward back there; most often celebrated for his vocals and songwriting, but he could play some real tasty guitar.
Ok, how 'bout Pye Hastings?
You're right. Andy is actually a really good, if unorthodox, player. Excellent ear for strange voicings and beautiful dissonance. He and Dave together created some pure six string magic.
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: November 01 2018 at 19:30
moshkito wrote:
Saperlipopette! wrote:
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Early Terje Rypdal is my ideal guitarist and while he is well respected musician not all that appreciated on PA.
NP: Adagieto from EOS
I would think that two very special guitarists deserve a mention here, for their work, although for the most part I am not sure that most people can handle it ... these are strong, weird and further out in left field kind of position.
John Weinzierl - AD2 ... no one could use effects and placed an amazing sound in such incredible spots within the music. And he could also improvise from here to Pluto and back. Witness YETI, the main piece in the album, which is stated to be an improvisation!
Ax Genrich - Guru Guru first several albums. I picked up his 3 solo albums, because I thought this guy would be interesting and off his rock'er! Yep .. he is that and then some. But for sheer insanity and sound and noise, no one could come close to what he did on the first Guru Guru albums, and how 2 of those pieces are still played today left and right.
Have you ever heard Eddy Marron of Dzyan? You might dig that.
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 01 2018 at 20:25
Forget this-- who is your favorite under-appreciated orthodontist. Am I right ?
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Posted By: gr8dane
Date Posted: November 03 2018 at 14:35
I am sure he isn't under appreciated by fans of the band,
But Ian Crichton of Saga is fantastic.
He may surprise a few folks, if they heard him.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 03 2018 at 15:04
^
Atavachron wrote:
Ian Crichton
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 03 2018 at 16:11
Atavachron wrote:
Forget this-- who is your favorite under-appreciated orthodontist. Am I right ?
of course you are... but tricky b*****d you are... that is a trick question.
Isn't meeting an orthadonist with a strong oral fixation like in the top 5 male fantasies ie bucketlists of ever hot blooded male.
ie there are no under-appreciated orthodontists..
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 03 2018 at 16:14
Gum me, baby.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 03 2018 at 16:20
*shotguns beer*
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Posted By: Cylli Kat
Date Posted: November 03 2018 at 16:54
This may or may not qualify, but has anyone mentioned David Sancious? He really tore it up on Sky Church Hymn #9. And, he's primarily a keyboard player!
Others Already mentioned: Phil Manzanera Dave Bainbridge
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: November 03 2018 at 20:22
Cylli Kat wrote:
This may or may not qualify, but has anyone mentioned David Sancious? He really tore it up on Sky Church Hymn #9. And, he's primarily a keyboard player!
Others Already mentioned: Phil Manzanera Dave Bainbridge
Sancious is an OUTSTANDING nomination, thanks!! He rips on guitar and keys!!
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: November 03 2018 at 20:24
gr8dane wrote:
I am sure he isn't under appreciated by fans of the band,
But Ian Crichton of Saga is fantastic.
He may surprise a few folks, if they heard him.
Fantastic suggestion, thanks!! You are right, he is fantastic!
I have fond memories of when this song was on constant rotation on AM radio in the States, good times!
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: November 03 2018 at 20:25
Oops!
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Posted By: Cylli Kat
Date Posted: November 03 2018 at 21:17
cstack3 wrote:
Cylli Kat wrote:
This may or may not qualify, but has anyone mentioned David Sancious? He really tore it up on Sky Church Hymn #9. And, he's primarily a keyboard player!
Others Already mentioned: Phil Manzanera Dave Bainbridge
Sancious is an OUTSTANDING nomination, thanks!! He rips on guitar and keys!!
I forgot to add: David Torn (His work with David Sylvian on Secrets of the Beehive is sublime).
Sorry to post an add on.
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Posted By: flyingveepixie
Date Posted: November 04 2018 at 01:41
I was watching T-Mac (Tony Macalpine) on youtube yesterday and thought if there was ever an under appreciated galaxy class guitarist it has to be him....
He's a real class act on keyboards too btw.
Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: November 04 2018 at 15:00
WARNING - This band (Special EFX) is labeled as the dreaded 'smooth jazz'. So if the sound of that is like finger nails on a chalk board you best move to the next post. I've posted this clip a couple of times on the archives because the guitarist Chieli Minucci, possesses that degree of talent that qualifies him (imo) as an 'under-appreciated guitarist'. This is a promotional clip so it is chopped up a bit but most of his guitar playing is intact.
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Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: November 04 2018 at 19:35
I gotta throw out props for Pete Cosey, who sided for Miles Davis fro '73 through '75. His work on 1975's Agharta in particular is stunning.
Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: November 04 2018 at 19:44
dwill123 wrote:
WARNING - This band (Special EFX) is labeled as the dreaded 'smooth jazz'. So if the sound of that is like finger nails on a chalk board you best move to the next post. I've posted this clip a couple of times on the archives because the guitarist Chieli Minucci, possesses that degree of talent that qualifies him (imo) as an 'under-appreciated guitarist'. This is a promotional clip so it is chopped up a bit but most of his guitar playing is intact.
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I am one of those jazz snobs who loves to poo-poo smmoth jazz, but there are exceptions, and Minucci is one of them. I recently picked up his Genesis album, and it is a very positive testament to the genre.
Posted By: stewe
Date Posted: November 05 2018 at 01:53
A lot of them mentioned... being myself a guitarist I'd say following are underappreciated. Not just guitar technique, but overall composition talent and attitude.
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: November 05 2018 at 07:29
miamiscot wrote:
irrelevant wrote:
^ Excellent choice! Andy Partridge is a bit underrated too IMO.
Good call on Justin Hayward back there; most often celebrated for his vocals and songwriting, but he could play some real tasty guitar.
Ok, how 'bout Pye Hastings?
You're right. Andy is actually a really good, if unorthodox, player. Excellent ear for strange voicings and beautiful dissonance. He and Dave together created some pure six string magic.
Some 12 string magic sometimes too!
Cosmiclawnmower wrote:
Phil Miller from Hatfield and the North/ National Health
John 'Charlie' Whitney of Family/ Streetwalkers
Was thinking about mentioning Phil Miller (RIP)
Good call on Charlie Whitney too. Family are a bit under-appreciated in general.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 06 2018 at 00:08
Chris Fry is the obvious one . I've seen Magenta live 4 times and he is always brilliant.
Also a 'vote' for Dave Kilminster who has worked with Keith Emerson and Roger Waters so he must be doing something right!
Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: November 07 2018 at 12:30
So many alternatives here. Jukka Tolonen? Nels Cline? Ben Monder?
But today I will say Nick Saloman. Not because he is the most virtuosic, but his playing has meant more to me than that of most.
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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: November 07 2018 at 12:36
HackettFan wrote:
Tony Duhig
A very interesting choice. I'm hugely fond of the Island Records quartet of albums and think each is in its own way unique and brilliant. Duhig doesn't always play a lot on those records, but when he does by God he makes it count!
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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: November 07 2018 at 12:39
Atavachron wrote:
Forget this-- who is your favorite under-appreciated orthodontist. Am I right ?
Don't be shy anyone. tell him the tooth
Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: November 07 2018 at 12:41
Fischman wrote:
Probably not popular in these parts, but I think Rich Williams of Kansas deserves far more praise.
Well, you're correct in that no one ever seems to talk about him.
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: November 08 2018 at 02:16
Gary Green from Gentle Giant.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 08 2018 at 07:30
Atavachron wrote:
Forget this-- who is your favorite under-appreciated orthodontist. Am I right ?
Mine is a bass playing guy that goes around Portland, and takes lessons from "Glenn" on occasion! (the guy from OREGON) .... though one time, I did have to tell him that my tooth was not a bass drum! He got the message!
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Posted By: Braka
Date Posted: November 09 2018 at 10:51
Dave Brock
I should start by saying that he's a pretty awful guitarist. I remember reading a review of a Hawkwind album which stated that Brock sounded like 'he'd learned to play guitar yesterday'. I think this must have been referring to his lead work, which is, I admit, pitiful.
However as a rhythm guitarist, on classic 70's tracks like 'Paradox', 'Spirit of the Age' or 'Lord of Light', he just nails it, with an organic, chugging, ragged greatness.
Posted By: Cosmiclawnmower
Date Posted: November 09 2018 at 13:38
^ On a similar note I always felt that Huw Lloyd Langton was a very under appreciated guitarist and together he and Dave Brock made super music.. the way they worked together on the Levitation lp and in particular tracks like 'Dust of time' and the title track show what a tight team they were.. Huwy, youre much missed RIP
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: November 15 2018 at 16:28
Tip o' the hat to American guitarist Roy Clark, who just died at age 85!
Check out his Al Dimeola imitation in this video! Amazing!
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 15 2018 at 17:30
ahhh man... RIP Roy. Though to be honest... had no idea he was still alive. Many good memories watching Hee Haw back in the day...
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 15 2018 at 17:45
Clark passed? He was an incredible guitar player despite his hillbilly banjo-playing image .
RIP, man.
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: November 15 2018 at 19:28
presdoug wrote:
cstack3 wrote:
OP here, thanks, good stuff, keep it up!!
In honor of our own PresDoug, I'll nominate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmut_K%C3%B6llen" rel="nofollow - Helmut Köllen from Triumvirate!!
Like Greg Lake, he was an excellent plectrum-style bassist who also excelled on 6-string!! Sadly, he passed away far too young.
Doug once sent me Helmut's solo CD, which was excellent!! Thanks, Doug!!
Hey, Chuck, thanks so much for your words, and it is not a common occurrence when someone writes a message of reverence and respect for Helmut, even in prog circles. That means a whole lot to me, and maybe it will motivate more people in PA to listen to his sublime recordings in Triumvirat, the group Jail, and his criminally overlooked solo album. All Hail Helmut!
Here is a rare photo of Helmut I discovered recently!
Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: November 15 2018 at 19:34
Atavachron wrote:
Clark passed? He was an incredible guitar player despite his hillbilly banjo-playing image .
RIP, man.
Yep. Roy could rip.
Along with Glen Campbell and Jerry Reed.
(and I despise country music)
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: November 15 2018 at 19:37
On this photo he looks like a mix between Alan Reed and Matthew Broderick xD.
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: November 15 2018 at 20:36
How about some young blood?
Kim Myhr (on the left)
Reinier Baas
Peter Kolovos
Nicola Hein
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 16 2018 at 07:10
Braka wrote:
Dave Brock
I should start by saying that he's a pretty awful guitarist. I remember reading a review of a Hawkwind album which stated that Brock sounded like 'he'd learned to play guitar yesterday'. I think this must have been referring to his lead work, which is, I admit, pitiful.
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This is highly unfair, specially how his guitar is used in those early albums which was quite a bit less about the fanboy pyrotechnics that folks here and elsewhere adore, but about how to use the sound and the effect on his guitar within the piece in question, and adding to its strength ... which was not loudness and noise, compared to the over rated number of crappy guitarists here that do nothing but show off their pyrotechnics on the string, and have absolutely nothing to show for it musically.
In terms of his guitar presence, and use, he is exceptional, and the only sad thing is that in his old age, these days, he is not, or can not, be as smart and as good as he used to be, or maybe the material just is not half as creative and original as it used to be.
BTW, the late Roye Albrighton of NEKTAR deserves mention here. One heck of a special guitar and singer!
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: November 16 2018 at 14:20
cstack3 wrote:
Tip o' the hat to American guitarist Roy Clark, who just died at age 85!
Check out his Al Dimeola imitation in this video! Amazing!
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: November 16 2018 at 17:25
I don't think Justin Hayward has ever gotten credit for his playing. Certainly his song-writing skills, but for the guitar? Not so much. Perhaps because he was never flashy and played the guitar in context with the overall sound of the composition, rather than with lavish solos. Anyway, brilliant tonal quality, and his style is unmistakable -- you hear that slightly distorted, effortless guitar lead and you know it's the Moody Blues...
And I've gotten carpal tunnel playing this on acoustic...
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: November 18 2018 at 00:32
^ Great choice with Justin H. I’d say Roye Albrighton as well, and John Cipollina. Cipo was an incredible guitarist, seems to have been forgotten over the years.
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 18 2018 at 11:56
^ Chip!-- great choice. Saw him a few times in SF and he always rocked.
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