It must suck having to live under an Iron Dome supported by my tax money, nearly as much as it must suck to have everything you know and everyone you love blown up because someone thought a militant leader lived there. Or just because an Isreali missile missed and leveled a whole block. I have some sympathy for Israel, but Gaza is at the mercy of a much overpowered nation. It is an occupation. Look at the death tolls for each side. And spare the human shield line. It's getting old.

[QUOTE=Sagichim] ^ Well it seems you got the situation figuered out now didn't you?


yep sorted! thanks!

Sagichim wrote: This is not an assumption buddy. I hope you've heard about the tunnels they were building

Once again, it would help if you weren't so ignorant of the reality. Tunnels aren't a new business; they're a direct consequence of the stranglehold your country places on the territory.

Sagichim wrote: I'm not sure you get it, the bombing of hospitals and schools were intentional not a mistake we could avoid with technology. The UN was amazed that these facilities were used as a weapon storage and a good hide out for their terrorists, well you the what's the military's answer to that right?

At the risk of using a somewhat dubious source, this is a pretty accurate characterization of "intentional" strikes. Israel shoots on evidence that Dubyah would consider dodgy and targets unrelated locations just to be sure. They later released images showing a justification that just kinda makes no sense -- nevermind the site's agenda-driven hyperbole, but the IDF image showed an entirely different location.

Sagichim wrote: ...the Palestinians have never gave up on a single demand, they wanna win the jack pot or they'll burn you alive.

Pot, meet kettle.

Sagichim wrote: Gamemako, then you really don't know what you're talking about, it isn't paranoia it's a fact! Just check out their children's kindergardens songs and the stuff they are being brainwashed with. They are being taught to hate, again this is a fact, you can check it out yourself.

Kettle, meet pot.

This is why international force is required to address the problem. The Palestinian militants are like militant black supremacists in the United States in the 1950s: oppressed, hated, enslaved; men of sympathetic cause taking their indignation far beyond the pale. However, unlike the American civil rights movement, the physical borders and a thoroughly-racist reason for Israel even existing prevent a solution. Israel still leeches Palestinian resources, treating them as subhumans and using their resistance as a justification to take more. Israel grows fat on the spoils, plundering at home and abroad while claiming a moral superiority.

Not that there's necessarily one best solution, or that any solution is easy to implement. A true two-state solution would likely mean war with Palestine and possibly Israel as well; a one-state solution would likely result in war with Israel. In any case, the geopolitical landscape will pull things one way or the other. The specifics would take a painful amount of time and fighting to achieve if the plan even worked, and the world just won't have the stomach for that for some time after the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Guldbamsen wrote: This is getting a tad too absurd for me... I'm not going to participate in this discussion simply because I have no personal reference points. I don't expect most other commenting on this issue have either, yet they're willing to discuss one of the most intricate and convoluted stand-stills of the world.  I would have more respect for North Irish folks chiming in as they, to some extend, understands the turmoil and heartache of terrorism - as would I for peeps living in Sri Lanka.  I very much doubt the capacity of 'normal' people from The US, France, Denmark, Sweden, Belgium or any other moderately peaceful country to comprehend the full picture of what is going on in Gaza at the moment. It is so easy for us to point fingers at something we find despicable and inhuman, yet we fail to realise that it is happening in a world which is faaaaaaar removed from the ones we occupy in our daily life. Just for the record: I'm not on anyone's side except for the one of peace....and I have friends on both sides of this terrible conflict.

Gamemako wrote: lazland wrote: That is the absolute key to this. This will never be solved as long as Israel's neighbours, most of whom are run by utter lunatics, terrorists, or religious fanatics, have, at their core, the constitutional right to destroy Israel. Oh, and Russia wants to annex the old empire again. Guess we should get out the guns, eh? You're not really getting anywhere with the paranoia argument. Well, except maybe deserving the endless war you make in the process.(Also, lol @ bolded.)

Gamemako, then you really don't know what you're talking about, it isn't paranoia it's a fact!
Just check out their children's kindergardens songs and the stuff they are being brainwashed with. They are being taught to hate, again this is a fact, you can check it out yourself.

Atavachron wrote: Ah, the one that says Jews secretly caused the Battle of Waterloo and the Kennedy Assassination.  Gotcha.  Now we're talkin', and how timely.

Ignorant talking, Jews didn't cause Battle of Waterloo the result of the battle they knew before anyone else in Britain let them made money. Kennedy was obviously assassinated by the banksters cos he gave the Treasury the power "to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury." That was against FED policy.

Atavachron wrote:      You read the book or you read that it's not in English? If you mean the James Rickards book, of course it's available in the U.S., and published in English by Penguin, a British publisher.   Take thirty seconds and do a little research before you bash a people.

I am not talking about that book , I am talking about Song Hongbing's book. A Chinese author.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency_Wars

KingCrInuYasha wrote: It still doesn't excuse Hamas being a bunch of self-righteous sociopaths.

of course, Hamas is not Israeli though

Sagichim wrote: Gerinski wrote: ^ whatever, it still does not justify actively disrespecting the UN resolutions, one thing can not be the excuse for the other.   Does the other side respects UN resolutions or is it not obligated to do so because its a terror organization?  It's not an excuse at all, resolutions can not apply on one side. The first step into peace gotta be a cease fire between two sides the we can move on.