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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2012 at 15:15
For fans of Communism , I suggest Anne Applebaum's masterful "Iron Curtain, the crushing of Eastern Europe" as a must read. One of the best and fairest books ever written on the subject. 
Clear, detailed and apolitical, just like a good historical book  should be.....
I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2012 at 11:51
Also just to clarify i'm not a communist of the stalinist (or even Leninist variety). My main influences are Marx, Engels, Luxemburg, Pannekoek, Bordiga, and some of the most class struggle oriented anarchists. I don't agree with Lenin's conception of the party and how socialism is tol be brought about. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2012 at 11:49
Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

It looks good on paper and would probably work if not for humans' general stupidity, greed, sloth and shortsightedness. It has a lot of potential but has been used as the means to the same end as every other system in history. It ultimately leads to Totalitarianism to be sure the "even" redistribution of wealth does not apply to the ruling class.  

What do you think of cultural marxism (cultural communism)? It's pretty prevalent these days.

Cultural Marxism is a joke. The people who ramble about this stuff are usually far-right nationalist with extreme paranoia issues. Marxism cannot be cultural because it is an inherently materialist conception of social reality. 

The fear of "cultural marxism" comes from the existence of the Frankfurt School, who mostly departed from revolutionary marxism and devised schemes to somehow bring about communism through taking over academia and the media and culturally preparing the world for communism. The problem with this view is that leaves out the self-activity of the working class as the source of socialism and socialist consciousness. The thing is, any kind of cultural radicalism can easily be absorbed by capital and sold as a commodity, as we saw in the 60's. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2012 at 11:47

Most good lyrics are counter establishment, system, ect. ;

But communism in its old form, is a bit warn out,
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2012 at 11:38
Grey is frequently better than black or white, perhaps only because we are (thankfully) not all the same.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2012 at 10:29
I'm not a communist, but definitely of the western European socialist variety.  I think most bands are on the left side of the political spectrum (certainly not all though).
I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2012 at 10:02
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

In a way many prog bands already work like a communist dream. All band members are equal but some are more equal than others.


Captain Beefheart's Magic Band leaps to mind.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2012 at 09:23
And they're all poor.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2012 at 09:20
In a way many prog bands already work like a communist dream. All band members are equal but some are more equal than others.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2012 at 09:18
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

I'm for it as long as I get to be a high ranking Party official, with the nice cars and dachas and so forth.


Yeah, having your own dacha would be sweet, wouldn't it? I could get on board for that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2012 at 09:13
I'm for it as long as I get to be a high ranking Party official, with the nice cars and dachas and so forth.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2012 at 09:06
I suspect I lean towards Communism.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2012 at 08:59
I don't have too much of a problem with anarcho-communism (well, I do, but I wouldn't really want to prevent it if.)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2012 at 08:51
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

I usually let music do musical stuff rather than look for politics in it. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2012 at 08:49
I usually let music do musical stuff rather than look for politics in it. 
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2012 at 04:38
im so called socialist, but no im more light pink then red to be honest, but im not really a social democrat, more a liberal socialist, if anything, if you had pointed a gun to my head, i whould say i was that, liberal-socialist.

Some Swedish prog is left wing and some Norwegian 70s prog is so also, socialist prog or comunist prog, but there is also agrarianist prog, and liberal prog and also conercvative prog, and non-confirmative prog
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2012 at 04:29
Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

The only time I ever hear that term is from sabre rattling radicals. It is a purely inflammatory pseudo-ideology drummed up by a handful of people who hate the fact that they will never be able to convert everyone to their way of thinking. The fact that people of different races, nationalities, religions, political orientation, gender identification and so-on can work side by side really pisses some people off.  

I agree with you. I'm what you call a third cultural kid and I think people can most definitely live side by side peacefully. The problem is that there are power hungry elites who utilize the tribal nature within most of us to prevent that from happening.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2012 at 04:18
The only time I ever hear that term is from sabre rattling radicals. It is a purely inflammatory pseudo-ideology drummed up by a handful of people who hate the fact that they will never be able to convert everyone to their way of thinking. The fact that people of different races, nationalities, religions, political orientation, gender identification and so-on can work side by side really pisses some people off.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2012 at 03:47
Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

It looks good on paper and would probably work if not for humans' general stupidity, greed, sloth and shortsightedness. It has a lot of potential but has been used as the means to the same end as every other system in history. It ultimately leads to Totalitarianism to be sure the "even" redistribution of wealth does not apply to the ruling class.  

What do you think of cultural marxism (cultural communism)? It's pretty prevalent these days.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2012 at 03:45
It looks good on paper and would probably work if not for humans' general stupidity, greed, sloth and shortsightedness. It has a lot of potential but has been used as the means to the same end as every other system in history. It ultimately leads to Totalitarianism to be sure the "even" redistribution of wealth does not apply to the ruling class.  
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