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Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

  I personally think it's emperor's new clothes. People trying to fake being cool by pretending to like the most aversive music they can find.
 


Your opinion isn't rendered any more potent by mocking the tastes of others.
 
I wasn't mocking. Some people do, in fact, listen to certain music simply as a component of a personality and image they are creating for themselves. Some folks do this with reasonable intentions. But you can dive so deep that you lose touch with reality.
 
Leng Tche is at the far end of the spectrum at so many levels that making it work would have been a collossal achievement. The fact that the subject matter itself is on the extremes of human cruelty means that the piece is going to have to prove itself to me that it has earned drawing me in to a realm so dark. I don't want to be tortured personally. If there is something to be gained by exploring that piece of human experience, I'm willing to think about it.
 
And you must realize that if you say "I personally like representations of the extremes of human cruelty" some eyebrows are going to go up.
 
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It kind of does want to make me hear it just to judge for myself how bad it really is.  My luck, I'd probably like it.
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Originally posted by cannon cannon wrote:

Here's a album that's really bad:
 


Tony R's review of it is priceless LOL
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Here's a album that's really bad:
 


That's quite the album art, too LOL
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Here's a album that's really bad:
 
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I won't Smile

although I'd in most cases take neither.


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Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:


Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:


[Hating St. Anger was the cool thing to do. I heard all the bashing and thought it had to be even worse than the 90's Metallica albums. When I finally heard it 2 years later I was reminded again of how much people who try to be cool piss me off. Especially when they jump on a bashwagon. By no means is it a masterpiece, but I enjoyed it.  

Yeah, it's just lazy bandwagoning. I don't even like Metallica, but I'm willing to defend them on this one because everyone only jumps to that one because it was such a high profile release.


It's definitely not as bad as Garage Inc. or either of the Load albums.

I'll take "Until it Sleeps" over tin-can, 9-minute dirges.
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:


And I'm not terribly familiar with Naked City, but I find most of their output rather dull except for Leng T'che, but I'm a noise hipster.



I don't like Naked City. Based on all the reviews and descriptions and comparisons I've read about it, I SHOULD like it. But I just don't.
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:


Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:


[Hating St. Anger was the cool thing to do. I heard all the bashing and thought it had to be even worse than the 90's Metallica albums. When I finally heard it 2 years later I was reminded again of how much people who try to be cool piss me off. Especially when they jump on a bashwagon. By no means is it a masterpiece, but I enjoyed it.  

Yeah, it's just lazy bandwagoning. I don't even like Metallica, but I'm willing to defend them on this one because everyone only jumps to that one because it was such a high profile release.


It's definitely not as bad as Garage Inc. or either of the Load albums.
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Fwiw, Leng Tch'e is easily the best Naked City album I've heard.
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Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

If it works for you, go ahead and listen to it. That album sat unreviewed for a very long time before I put up my opinion. I personally think it's emperor's new clothes. People trying to fake being cool by pretending to like the most aversive music they can find.

The emperor's new clothes is an incredibly stupid and deeply offensive metaphor to apply to music (well, probably anything, to be honest, but that's a different topic). Where people got the idea that it's OK to claim that someone else must be lying when they like something you don't is beyond me. And I've always thought the story was more about even the rich and powerful emperor being scammed because of his vanity than the common people playing along because they're afraid of him, but whatever...

And I'm not terribly familiar with Naked City, but I find most of their output rather dull except for Leng T'che, but I'm a noise hipster.
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

I think St. Anger is really overrated as a terrible album, but what do I know, I actually like the sound of the trashcan drums...
Hating St. Anger was the cool thing to do. I heard all the bashing and thought it had to be even worse than the 90's Metallica albums. When I finally heard it 2 years later I was reminded again of how much people who try to be cool piss me off. Especially when they jump on a bashwagon. By no means is it a masterpiece, but I enjoyed it.  

Yeah, it's just lazy bandwagoning. I don't even like Metallica, but I'm willing to defend them on this one because everyone only jumps to that one because it was such a high profile release.


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Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

  I personally think it's emperor's new clothes. People trying to fake being cool by pretending to like the most aversive music they can find.
 


Your opinion isn't rendered any more potent by mocking the tastes of others.
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^I totally agree with you. 

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Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

Leng Tche is not music. It's not good doom metal. It's not good noise. It just blows. Misanthropic, actively painful to listen to at first but then decaying into monumental boredom. What's more, it's a completely emotional and visceral intent performed completely from the left brain. Monumental failure.

 


The fact that 43% of the ratings for that album are 5* seems to suggest that this is just your opinion.
 
There are 8 ratings (now that you've added yours). 2 of the 5 star raters are active in this conversation, and the 2 1 star reviewers are active in this thread. Please don't pull out statistics when the N is so small and you're actively manipulating them.
 
 
If it works for you, go ahead and listen to it. That album sat unreviewed for a very long time before I put up my opinion. I personally think it's emperor's new clothes. People trying to fake being cool by pretending to like the most aversive music they can find.
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Speaking of Trout Mask Replica, I was just reading this old list done for theguardian.co.uk in 2007 where various musicians were asked "to nominate the supposedly great records they'd gladly never hear again", and that is one of those albums listed.  So is Dark Side of the Moon, Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, Pet Sounds, and LA Woman by the Doors.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2007/jun/15/popandrock

Yes, old news is old news, and I don't expect many would care about such lists, but.....


It was an interesting read for me, if only to see how some of the 'other side' think.  And of course, what a predictable list of bands to interview, of course most of them are going to trash classic albums. And with, for the most part, some stunningly simplistic and shallow analysis at that. Shouldn't really call some of those 'interviews' 'analysis' either, really.

Still, I do agree that 'Pet Sounds' had a few songs that didn't blow me away, along with some stunners.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Speaking of Trout Mask Replica, I was just reading this old list done for theguardian.co.uk in 2007 where various musicians were asked "to nominate the supposedly great records they'd gladly never hear again", and that is one of those albums listed.  So is Dark Side of the Moon, Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, Pet Sounds, and LA Woman by the Doors.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2007/jun/15/popandrock

Yes, old news is old news, and I don't expect many would care about such lists, but.....


So true. DSotM just got overplayed. And LA Woman nearly made my list.



Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

I think St. Anger is really overrated as a terrible album, but what do I know, I actually like the sound of the trashcan drums...


Hating St. Anger was the cool thing to do. I heard all the bashing and thought it had to be even worse than the 90's Metallica albums. When I finally heard it 2 years later I was reminded again of how much people who try to be cool piss me off. Especially when they jump on a bashwagon. By no means is it a masterpiece, but I enjoyed it.  


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Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

Leng Tche is not music. It's not good doom metal. It's not good noise. It just blows. Misanthropic, actively painful to listen to at first but then decaying into monumental boredom. What's more, it's a completely emotional and visceral intent performed completely from the left brain. Monumental failure.

 


The fact that 43% of the ratings for that album are 5* seems to suggest that this is just your opinion.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Speaking of Trout Mask Replica, I was just reading this old list done for theguardian.co.uk in 2007 where various musicians were asked "to nominate the supposedly great records they'd gladly never hear again", and that is one of those albums listed.  So is Dark Side of the Moon, Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, Pet Sounds, and LA Woman by the Doors.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2007/jun/15/popandrock

Yes, old news is old news, and I don't expect many would care about such lists, but.....


Well everybody´s entitled to their opinion, but music will always be subjective. As long as they´ll let me have my fun with Trout Mask, Dark Side, Pet Sounds and L. A. Woman. I happen to enjoy all of those. I don´t really get why Trout Mask is in there, because unlike all of the others mentioned - it never, and I do mean never gets any airplay, unless you´re plugged into some sort of obscure internet radio. All the others might suffer from serious overplay, not Trout Mask. I think it says more about these musicians, and their tastes if anything. They have probably never liked it, but jumped on the hipster train and all the fabulous reviews alongside the majestic position it sits at after Rolling Stone mentioned it as one of the most important rock albums of all time. 
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