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The T 
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 Posted: January 07 2011 at 17:23 |
But BaldFriede, there are fans like that for MANY many drummers, including some that seriously lack skills (like Ulrich). But why you seen to react only against Peart's fans? 
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Tony R
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 16:57 |
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Yeeeeeaaaaaawwwwwnnnnn!!!
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BaldFriede
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 16:53 |
 The T wrote:
BaldFriede, did Peart ever hurt you, like, personally? |
Read the comment I made after yours.
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 16:51 |
The T wrote:
BaldFriede, did Peart ever hurt you, like, personally? |
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BaldFriede
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 16:49 |
rushaholic wrote:
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Predictable?? The only thing predictable with Peart discussions is that you will always show up to put Peart fans in their place.
These discussions always get silly anyways. Always boils down to a matter of taste.
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This comment only shows rthat you have not understood a word of what i wrote., If Peart is your favourite drummer - fine; I have absolutely nothing against that - de gustibus non est disputandum. But a certain kind of Peart fans behave as if only Peart could drum. When I see comments like "Peart, who else?" in drum polls (and there are lots of them in the archives; just take a look at other drum polls) it angers me; it shows disrespect to all the rest of excellent drummers which are out there. This behaviour and nothing else is what I criticize. I do not doubt Mr. Peart's abilitiesat all, though personally I find him boring; but that is a question of style. But I am a drummer myself and have played drums for over 25 xears now, and believe me, Peart is definitely not that special as these kind of fans claim.
Edited by BaldFriede - January 07 2011 at 16:52
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The T
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 16:47 |
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BaldFriede, did Peart ever hurt you, like, personally?
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rushfan4
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 16:40 |
pied piper wrote:
I consider Peart the most overrated drummer of the world.
I can give you at least 50 names I consider much better...
Sorry Peart fans! |
Apparently you have been smoking your pipe then.
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rushaholic
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 16:25 |
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Predictable?? The only thing predictable with Peart discussions is that you will always show up to put Peart fans in their place.
These discussions always get silly anyways. Always boils down to a matter of taste.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 12:43 |
richardh wrote:
Starhammer wrote:
richardh wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Starhammer wrote:
He's a great drummer, but he's quite mechanical though. What most people don't like about Neil is the lack of fluidity in his playing, unlike jazz drummers. |
He's the man!.......I don't get the mechanical arguement or the part where he is not fluid....His drumming is seemless, that's pretty fluid to me.
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Indeed and also Rush are not a jazz band |
I know, but you'd expect some fluid drumming from a man who says he's a jazz fan since his childhood and had lessons from one of the top jazz drumming instructors.
And the mechanical drumming appears when he plays his songs live, exactly like the studio recordings. Of course Rush changes the song's arrangements every now and then, but he leaves no room for improv. Makes me wonder if it's really worth for me to spend money on seeing them live. |
I will have to admit that on the one occasion I saw them live (Vapor Trails tour) it was Lifesen that blew me away rather than Peart. At the time though I put it down to bad acoustics at the venue (Birmingham NEC - very large barn of a venue) but perhaps that wasn't all of it.
BUT to me there is a very big difference in the live versions of tracks on Exit Stage Left compared to the albums where the smoothness and flow is there so perhaps its an age thing as another poster suggested. |
An age thing? Mani Neumeier is a heptagenarian, but you would never guess that when you hear him play. Of all prog drummers Neuimeier is probably the most versatile; there is ahrdly a style he has not played in, from free jazz to punk; he even made excursions into techno.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 12:39 |
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Pedart is the most5 ovcerrated drummer ever. What I mean by that is not that he can't drum; on the contrqary, I have no doubts at all about his drumming abilities. Howwever, there are lots of drummers whoare equally good buthose style I conisder to be much more interesting. Peart is too predictiable for my taste; I like drummers to do the unexpected, and Peart is not the man to deliver there.
Mark that I am NOT a Peart hater. I am, however, a Peart fan hater because his fans magnify his abilities in comparison wirth other drummers, and that is simply not true. Peart is not an überdrummer at al. It is definitely not like this:
1) Peart
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But this is exactly how Peart fans depict him, which is plain nonsense.
I have a certain dislike for the man nevertheless because he is at least partly responsible for the hype about him.
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wilmon91
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Posted: January 06 2011 at 15:02 |
Im not a Peart fan, but if we think about the seventies, what I think of as typical to Peart is the very hard and distinct way of hitting the drums, were there is a lot of will behind every stroke, and also the aggressive drum fills with tom toms tuned in a wide range, from high pitched to low.
Sometime in the mid-seventies it seems many drummers started using a range of tom toms, pitched from very high to low. At least I come to think of Andy Ward on the Moonmadness album. Was it Neil Peart who inspired this use of tom-toms?
Well, I like those aspects about his drumming, but his playing has changed, he took lessons from Freddy Gruber (I think thats his name) in the nineties, and his playing became....well, he seems to have lost some energy in the playing, but I only recall "Test For Echo", and if I've heard anyhting after that, I have forgotten it.
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pied piper
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Posted: January 06 2011 at 09:50 |
I consider Peart the most overrated drummer of the world.
I can give you at least 50 names I consider much better...
Sorry Peart fans!
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Thkasabrk
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Posted: December 24 2010 at 13:18 |
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I never thought of Neil as not being fluid. What may seem like a lack of fluidity is for me the effortlessness with which he plays. If I tried to play for two minutes like he plays for five you would have to pick me up off the floor and carry me to the couch (although admittedly I am not a drummer.)
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richardh
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Posted: December 24 2010 at 10:43 |
Starhammer wrote:
richardh wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Starhammer wrote:
He's a great drummer, but he's quite mechanical though. What most people don't like about Neil is the lack of fluidity in his playing, unlike jazz drummers. |
He's the man!.......I don't get the mechanical arguement or the part where he is not fluid....His drumming is seemless, that's pretty fluid to me.
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Indeed and also Rush are not a jazz band |
I know, but you'd expect some fluid drumming from a man who says he's a jazz fan since his childhood and had lessons from one of the top jazz drumming instructors.
And the mechanical drumming appears when he plays his songs live, exactly like the studio recordings. Of course Rush changes the song's arrangements every now and then, but he leaves no room for improv. Makes me wonder if it's really worth for me to spend money on seeing them live. |
I will have to admit that on the one occasion I saw them live (Vapor Trails tour) it was Lifesen that blew me away rather than Peart. At the time though I put it down to bad acoustics at the venue (Birmingham NEC - very large barn of a venue) but perhaps that wasn't all of it.
BUT to me there is a very big difference in the live versions of tracks on Exit Stage Left compared to the albums where the smoothness and flow is there so perhaps its an age thing as another poster suggested.
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The Neck Romancer
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Posted: December 24 2010 at 07:35 |
richardh wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Starhammer wrote:
He's a great drummer, but he's quite mechanical though. What most people don't like about Neil is the lack of fluidity in his playing, unlike jazz drummers. |
He's the man!.......I don't get the mechanical arguement or the part where he is not fluid....His drumming is seemless, that's pretty fluid to me.
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Indeed and also Rush are not a jazz band |
I know, but you'd expect some fluid drumming from a man who says he's a jazz fan since his childhood and had lessons from one of the top jazz drumming instructors.
And the mechanical drumming appears when he plays his songs live, exactly like the studio recordings. Of course Rush changes the song's arrangements every now and then, but he leaves no room for improv. Makes me wonder if it's really worth for me to spend money on seeing them live.
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Posted: December 24 2010 at 07:35 |
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^^^ Oh he exists alright. I've seen his face on a slice of toast before, carved into the marmalade. It was a sign!
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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sigod
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Posted: December 24 2010 at 06:57 |
You have no formal proof that Peart exists. I remain agnostic on the matter. 
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I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision.
- Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill
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Tursake
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Posted: December 24 2010 at 05:42 |
Neil Peart is god, end of discussion. 
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LSDisease
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Posted: December 24 2010 at 04:16 |
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Neil Peart is the biggest drumer ever. No doubt. I also think that the 70's were a drum and a keyboard period. The 80's - a guitar shred decade.
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Gerinski
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Posted: December 24 2010 at 03:50 |
One of my top favourite drummers of all time if not THE top one. I absolutely love his playing.
And yet I also think that when you see him playing his body language is too tight, his body does not flow as smoothly as it should, something that happens with Carl Palmer too.
Neil himself reckons this and that's why he went on to take lessons from Freddie Gruber, but it was too late in his career and although some say that his playing got smoother after that, I hardly noticed any change.
But that's ok, if this is his style and he can play so amazingly in this way, let him be so !
Wonderful lyricist too.
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