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Slartibartfast 
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 Posted: June 08 2009 at 17:01 |
It's so obvious, disco!!! 
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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The Quiet One
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Posted: June 08 2009 at 16:43 |
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If DT does that with Rudess send me a PM guys!! I would really love to hear a more chill-out band, just like in Falling Into Infinity, Derek's jazzy tones are superb, even though they were few and shadowed in the mix!!
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The T
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Posted: June 08 2009 at 15:37 |
^that makes sense. Believe me, I could start 92871 threads like "What does The Mars Volta need to do?" (and my answer would be get rid of the drummer and drop the caffeinne...but that's another story)... what would be the point?
Let's enjoy artists for what they are. Yes, let's criticize them, let's give opinions on their music... But let's quit this day-dreaming about how ideal they could be if they only played exactly like we, hardly musicians most of us, like them to play.
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Alitare
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Posted: June 08 2009 at 15:31 |
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Which is exactly why I am only a casual fan. Kinda like them, kinda don't. I'd never ask a band to do what I want. I mean, what I want, in the end, could be worse than what they give me, for me. What the hell do I know? I am not them.
At any rate, I preferred their I&W-SDOIT era, and nothing else really got to me. I don't expect anything else they make in the future to appeal to me, and that's ok. I fully agree with T. Now for some VDGG.
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The T
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Posted: June 08 2009 at 15:20 |
 darkshade wrote:
well? I don't understand why is only this band the one people are always trying to change.... If you don't enjoy it, DON'T LISTEN. DON'T BUY. THERE ARE 3874329837293871983719 other bands that may give you exactly what YOU want. Or better yet, START YOUR OWN BAND.
personally, i think they would benefit from throwing a little jazz into their mix of prog rock/metal. I also think Frank Zappa would be more interesting for me if he had thrown some black metal and hip/hop influences into their music. Sadly, he didn't do it. he didn't please me!!! im not saying they should have walking basslines everywhere and screaming sax, but adding a little jazz vocabulary and voicing would make their music a little more interesting. Im saying more of the fusion influence than "traditional" jazz. Maybe even throw in some funky lines (you knoow they can do it) I understand your desire to get these things. and your observation is very detailed. But the band you see is the band you'll get.
on the other hand, i could see them royally F**king it up, and going for cliche chord progressions and obvious Charlie Parker licks on guitar. "we wear our influences on our sleeeeeeves!!"
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i think they should check out their ex-mates band Planet X for inspiration, or Garaj Mahal. Id say other (older) fusion artists, but the band knows these bands, they listen to them. or maybe they dont because "we wear our influences on our sleeeeeeves!!"
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I'd suggest you understand the fact that these people (DT) are 40 years old and they don't need to adapt themselves for the needs of younger generations or of anybody for that matter. If they don't play what you think they should play, it will always be like that. So I suggest instead of suffering because they " wear their influences on their sleeeeeves" why don't you buy records you actually enjoooooooy?
I just don't understand why this happens only with DT...
maybe because people realize the talent they have and wish they played more to their tastes... or even because commercial success breeds hate and jealosy... I have no idea.... I've yet to understand why... apparently, DT is in the mouth of everybody here, haters or lovers....
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Kyo
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Posted: June 08 2009 at 14:39 |
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They should try writing lyrics to a song first, then come up with music that fits.
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"Freedom in the 21st Century means being incommunicado."
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Visitor13
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Posted: June 08 2009 at 14:30 |
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
And you have to discuss this two weeks before the album is released because ...
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Because there is still time to implement the changes we suggest 
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: June 08 2009 at 14:25 |
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And you have to discuss this two weeks before the album is released because ...
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Visitor13
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Posted: June 08 2009 at 14:12 |
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For a start, they should get a bassist.
They should look somewhere more interesting for inspiration. Petrucci used to be able to play surprisingly decent Holdsworth-style solos. I wouldn't mind an album of songs in the style of "Trail of Tears" (never going to happen, I know).
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jplanet
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Posted: June 08 2009 at 13:56 |
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I could see them doing some jazz "interludes" the same way Transatlantic did, but as a direction of the band that would seem weird to me. If anything, it would be interesting seeing them do something purely atmospheric, a la Sigur Ros...I long to see Petrucci just going nuts with feedback and distortion, creating textures with effects instead of so many precisely-executed scales...
Although, It's strange to me to speculate about what a band "should" do - unless it's a member of the band making that speculation - they should do whatever they feel good about doing, and hopefully challenge themselves and their listeners along the way. It's another thing to think of a specific goal, such as, what do they need to do to win a bigger audience, or what do they need to do for their music to be more enjoyable to me personally (for me it would involve dropping all of the double-kick stuff, and more soulful soloing)...
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darkshade
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Posted: June 08 2009 at 13:35 |
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well?
personally, i think they would benefit from throwing a little jazz into their mix of prog rock/metal. im not saying they should have walking basslines everywhere and screaming sax, but adding a little jazz vocabulary and voicing would make their music a little more interesting. Im saying more of the fusion influence than "traditional" jazz. Maybe even throw in some funky lines (you knoow they can do it)
on the other hand, i could see them royally F**king it up, and going for cliche chord progressions and obvious Charlie Parker licks on guitar. "we wear our influences on our sleeeeeeves!!"
i think they should check out their ex-mates band Planet X for inspiration, or Garaj Mahal. Id say other (older) fusion artists, but the band knows these bands, they listen to them. or maybe they dont because "we wear our influences on our sleeeeeeves!!"
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