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crimhead 
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 Posted: July 19 2008 at 14:29 |
 darkshade wrote:
idk, i keep hearing more how disco killed prog more than anything. punk was just big in NY, London, and maybe some other big city
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But where is disco now. Disco is a dirty dirty word.
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Posted: July 19 2008 at 14:08 |
darkshade wrote:
idk, i keep hearing more how disco killed prog more than anything. punk was just big in NY, London, and maybe some other big city
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Punk completely changed the music scene in Great Britain, and though it never got as popular in the States, it did spawn the whole New Wave movement which did.
Punk spearheaded a simplification of popular rock music that continues to this day. Long songs and tricky rhythms were no longer acceptable. Soloing became sparse. Lyrical subject matter could no longer include hobbits, meditation, anthropomorphized mice (Tull, Genesis, etc), mythology, swords & sorcery and whatever the hell Gentle Giant songs were about. :)
Lyrics became personal, dealing with real life (usually love, but sometimes social issues and politics).
And let's not forget that punk ended the dubious fashion choices of capes, furry knee-high boots, long hair and tights (I'm referring to Wakeman, Squire, Ian Anderson and others...).
As punks would say, you no longer needed a degree from the Royal Academy of Music to be in a rock band. Anybody with a rudimentary sense of music could start a band and end up on the radio or MTV or wherever.
Whether you liked punk or not (and I loved it), there's really no arguing that it ushered in a new era of rock, which is still with us today.
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peskypesky
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Posted: July 19 2008 at 13:51 |
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Punk may not have killed prog, but it definitely delivered a knockout punch that prog never really recovered from. That's why to this day, 30 years later, it's still considered sort of dorky to be into prog.
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crimhead
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Posted: July 19 2008 at 13:44 |
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I would not say that punk killed prog but there was a punk faction in Los Angeles. The Germs reunited in 2005 and still record.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: July 19 2008 at 13:38 |
Your Lame Sister wrote:
Prog was bound to kill itself anyway, punk just helped it. when prog bands started releasing crap like 'Tales From Topographic Oceans' and 'Wind & Wuthering', they were practically sealing their own fate. |
I certainly disagree. Maybe those albums sealed there fate of causing Punk bands to think that these bands were getting out of their hands, so that's why Punk it's quite the completely OPPOSITE to Prog. Prog = +..Punk = -
No vote. Since I agree with Micky with the New Wave influences to bands such as Genesis and Yes, were taking there Prog writing out and turning into mediocre Pop bands.
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darkshade
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Posted: July 19 2008 at 12:39 |
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idk, i keep hearing more how disco killed prog more than anything. punk was just big in NY, London, and maybe some other big city
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: July 19 2008 at 12:08 |
In Perú we almost never noticed it.
Before 1978 all the music in radios was in English, in those years Rock in Spanish started with strength, so Punk never had a chance here.
Also the beginnings of Metal with the hard Rock pioneers didn't helped Punk.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - July 19 2008 at 14:42
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mithrandir
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Posted: July 19 2008 at 11:45 |
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seems like a variation on this same topic pops up about once every 2 weeks here, what's the obsession folks?
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Luke. J
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Posted: July 19 2008 at 11:31 |
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Prog disappeared as all genres disappear when the popular artists overdo clichés. Punk did not kill prog, it rather displaced it.
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Your Lame Sister
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Posted: July 19 2008 at 11:21 |
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Prog was bound to kill itself anyway, punk just helped it. when prog bands started releasing crap like 'Tales From Topographic Oceans' and 'Wind & Wuthering', they were practically sealing their own fate.
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"Playing acoustic guitar is like having sex with your clothes on - I mean, you know how to do it, but it's more difficult." - Dave Mustaine
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Posted: July 19 2008 at 11:04 |
Frasse wrote:
I wasn't even born back then but get the impression that "Punk killed Prog" is a myth so influencing that proggers seem to believe it themselves.
Many of my favourite prog albums are from the punk-era of late 70s. Genesis was way bigger then than in the early 70s, and still prog. The biggest album of the era is Pink Floyds "The Wall" etc. |
Well,, I was around back then and living in New York, I can tell you all that Punk did indeed kill prog, at least in my part of the USA. Yes, some decent prog albums came out around that time (The Wall, Duke, Drama), but they were few and far between compared to the glory days of the early 70's. Forget about hearing prog in any local music venue.. it wasn't going to happen. I imagine London was the same way, and probably worse.
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Frasse
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Posted: July 19 2008 at 10:16 |
I wasn't even born back then but get the impression that "Punk killed Prog" is a myth so influencing that proggers seem to believe it themselves.
Many of my favourite prog albums are from the punk-era of late 70s. Genesis was way bigger then than in the early 70s, and still prog. The biggest album of the era is Pink Floyds "The Wall" etc.
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Posted: July 19 2008 at 09:34 |
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it was popular especially among the older kids I remember.. I was still a bit young and listening to what my parents did ... but punk's real impact was where we all saw it and felt it... new wave... you didn't see punk influences in prog.. but you sure did see new wave influences in prog.
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Yorkie X
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Posted: July 19 2008 at 09:25 |
I was thinking about "the times" back in about 78 here in Australia and to be honest with you I don't recall punk ever being that popular ... certainly not respected anyway which leads me to the question or should I say the "Theme" to this latest Yorkie X Poll, Did punk really KILL prog ? or is that something we just tell ourselves to come to terms with progs run seemingly being over or in a state of tempery suspension at that time ? Anyway this is probably I dopey poll but honestly I dont remember punk ever really catching on big time not where I live anyway. 
Edited by Yorkie X - July 19 2008 at 21:15
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