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Poll Question: METALLICA in the archive ? the white album is their best prog album ...
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Have people really got nothing better to do than vote over and over to try to swing the poll?
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True, Certif1ed.
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Points: 7559 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2005 at 14:42

Loads of people STILL complain about Radiohead - but few seem to mind Uriah Heep.

You can please some of the people some of the time...



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Originally posted by billyshears'67 billyshears'67 wrote:

Metallica was a mixture of hard rock, metal, and thrash, not prog. Christ, just because they have some technicality people want to call them prog. I know a lot more technical metal bands that could be on here besides Metallica.

More examples: Death, Nevermore (i.e. The Politics of Ecstasy)

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I was NOT stating here that technicality = prog. What I was said was misconstrued as that. What I was meant was that's all you can really consider when calling Metallica prog.

This is crap, Metallica made progressions over each album, like most other bands do, that doesn't make them prog.

The inclusion of Metallica in the Archives would mean chaos. Everybody would start to complain about this and that band because Metallica was included.

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Points: 7559 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2005 at 14:36
Originally posted by billyshears'67 billyshears'67 wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Watch Tower are in the archives. They didn't invent prog metal, their first album was released after "And Justice...".



Watch Tower's first album "Energetic Dissassembly" came out in 1985. WAY before "...And Justice...."

Check your facts mate

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Not a track over 5 and a half minutes though. I normally do check my facts very carefully, but really that's a moot point since Metallica already had two very progressive albums out before then, and "Master..." blew it away.



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Originally posted by Prog-Brazil Prog-Brazil wrote:

You can not add a band because they have one prog-disc. The Who, Beatles, Queen and others have one or two progressive song or album too... They don't must be add here !!!



As Marvin Gaye said, "Right On"

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Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

The bulk of Genesis material is not prog. Genesis only released prog up to Duke - from 1970-1980 is only 10 years. From 1980 to now is 15 years.

Prog is a mixture of many genres and it's not about technicality.

Death were a Death metal band.

Hi Cert. You're right prog is not only about technicality, but Chuck Schuldiner always denied Death's being a death metal band (he always described it as just a metal band), and having heard plenty of death metal I agree with him. 

Just to split a hair or two.



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Points: 596 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2005 at 14:29

You can not add a band because they have one prog-disc. The Who, Beatles, Queen and others have one or two progressive song or album too... They don't must be add here !!!
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Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Watch Tower are in the archives. They didn't invent prog metal, their first album was released after "And Justice...".



Watch Tower's first album "Energetic Dissassembly" came out in 1985. WAY before "...And Justice...."

Check your facts mate

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ARE YOU CRAZY MAX!! SINCE WHEN METALLICA IS PROG???

why not Megadeth, exodus and others?



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The bulk of Genesis material is not prog. Genesis only released prog up to Duke - from 1970-1980 is only 10 years. From 1980 to now is 15 years.

Prog is a mixture of many genres and it's not about technicality.

Death were a Death metal band.
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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2005 at 14:26

Max,

You need to re-create the poll, as it presently allows multiple votes!Wink
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I believe for a band to be included on the Archives, that it should be pretty clear that they're prog, not some HUGE debate like this fiasco is going to conjure. Metallica was a mixture of hard rock, metal, and thrash, not prog. Christ, just because they have some technicality people want to call them prog. I know a lot more technical metal bands that could be on here besides Metallica.

More examples: Death, Nevermore (i.e. The Politics of Ecstasy)

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Points: 7559 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2005 at 14:22

Watch Tower are in the archives. They didn't invent prog metal, their first album was released after "And Justice...".

Maybe Megadeth should be too.



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Points: 238 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2005 at 14:21
Orion is a great instrumental. They are quite prog, but  the prestige of our archive would be affected. Any outsider would be shocked at first, when reading front-page reviews of Metallica alongside Pink Floyd... I don't see it happen

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Sorry, but I don't view Metallica as prog metal. Sure, they influenced prog metal bands because they're the most influential metal band on the planet. But, Watch Tower are clearly the inventors of what people consider prog metal. Metallica is metal. If Metallica gets included then ya might as well add a crap load of other metal bands on here too.

Hell, Megadeth with more "progressive" than Metallica!

No to Metallica on the Archives.

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Points: 7559 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2005 at 14:16

It's true that only the first 4 Metallica albums are progressive - but I think it's a great idea. Metallica invented prog metal, from what I've heard of modern "prog metal" bands. Sure they didn't have keyboards - but those riffs are quite extraordinary, and what they did for metal as a genre should never be underestimated.

Shame about everything after the Black album tho'

As for System of a Down, I've only heard Toxicity, which sounds very progressive in nature - but compared with Metallica's first 4 albums doesn't really have the "prog" edge I would look for.

So a big thumbs up for Metallica - "...And Justice For All" and "Master of Puppets" are surely the epitome of prog metal. The riffs are still being used

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2005 at 14:12

Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

If you were to do that, it would only be for Master of Puppets and And Justice For All really.

He's got a point.
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Points: 21342 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2005 at 14:10
If you were to do that, it would only be for Master of Puppets and And Justice For All really.
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Points: 297 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2005 at 14:07

I think the Kill 'em All to Justice albums are great, and could be considered prog... Before knowing prog existed a freind told me, "Metallica are so cool, they constantly change their rythm and tempo". I find it quite funny thinking back.
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