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Topic: Metallica in the archive ?
Posted By: M@X
Subject: Metallica in the archive ?
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 14:04

This week, I received a suggestion to add METALLICA in the ARCHIVE, personnaly I think it is a great idea, the 'AND JUSTICE FOR ALL' album is so intense and complex.

Why Not ?

Let me know what you think.

I also think about adding SYSTEM OF A DOWN, here is a sneak preview of what the critics are saying about the next 2 albums:

System of a Down wrote some thirty tracks for "Mezmerize/Hypnotize" and recorded them at producer Rick Rubin's Laurel Canyon studio between June and November of 2004. The album was produced by Rubin and Daron Malakian and mixed by Andy Wallace, who also mixed "Toxicity" and "Steal This Album!" The new songs are more complex, more progressive, more unorthodox, and more experimental than ever, while retaining the idiosyncratic, ironic and schizophrenic qualities that make System of a Down so distinctive.

source : http://www.sonymusic.com.sg/system-NewsAlbum.html - http://www.sonymusic.com.sg/system-NewsAlbum.html

 

HAPPY APRIL'S FOOL !

 



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Posted By: Dreamer
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 14:07

I think the Kill 'em All to Justice albums are great, and could be considered prog... Before knowing prog existed a freind told me, "Metallica are so cool, they constantly change their rythm and tempo". I find it quite funny thinking back.



Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 14:10
If you were to do that, it would only be for Master of Puppets and And Justice For All really.

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 14:12

Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

If you were to do that, it would only be for Master of Puppets and And Justice For All really.

He's got a point.



Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 14:16

It's true that only the first 4 Metallica albums are progressive - but I think it's a great idea. Metallica invented prog metal, from what I've heard of modern "prog metal" bands. Sure they didn't have keyboards - but those riffs are quite extraordinary, and what they did for metal as a genre should never be underestimated.

Shame about everything after the Black album tho'

As for System of a Down, I've only heard Toxicity, which sounds very progressive in nature - but compared with Metallica's first 4 albums doesn't really have the "prog" edge I would look for.

So a big thumbs up for Metallica - "...And Justice For All" and "Master of Puppets" are surely the epitome of prog metal. The riffs are still being used



Posted By: billyshears'67
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 14:19
Sorry, but I don't view Metallica as prog metal. Sure, they influenced prog metal bands because they're the most influential metal band on the planet. But, Watch Tower are clearly the inventors of what people consider prog metal. Metallica is metal. If Metallica gets included then ya might as well add a crap load of other metal bands on here too.

Hell, Megadeth with more "progressive" than Metallica!

No to Metallica on the Archives.

Peace & take care


Posted By: Captain Fudge
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 14:21
Orion is a great instrumental. They are quite prog, but  the prestige of our archive would be affected. Any outsider would be shocked at first, when reading front-page reviews of Metallica alongside Pink Floyd... I don't see it happen

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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 14:22

Watch Tower are in the archives. They didn't invent prog metal, their first album was released after "And Justice...".

Maybe Megadeth should be too.



Posted By: billyshears'67
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 14:24
I believe for a band to be included on the Archives, that it should be pretty clear that they're prog, not some HUGE debate like this fiasco is going to conjure. Metallica was a mixture of hard rock, metal, and thrash, not prog. Christ, just because they have some technicality people want to call them prog. I know a lot more technical metal bands that could be on here besides Metallica.

More examples: Death, Nevermore (i.e. The Politics of Ecstasy)

Peace & take care


Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 14:26

Max,

You need to re-create the poll, as it presently allows multiple votes!Wink



Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 14:26

The bulk of Genesis material is not prog. Genesis only released prog up to Duke - from 1970-1980 is only 10 years. From 1980 to now is 15 years.

Prog is a mixture of many genres and it's not about technicality.

Death were a Death metal band.



Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 14:26

ARE YOU CRAZY MAX!! SINCE WHEN METALLICA IS PROG???

why not Megadeth, exodus and others?



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Posted By: billyshears'67
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 14:27
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Watch Tower are in the archives. They didn't invent prog metal, their first album was released after "And Justice...".



Watch Tower's first album "Energetic Dissassembly" came out in 1985. WAY before "...And Justice...."

Check your facts mate

Peace & take care
 


Posted By: Prog-Brazil
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 14:29

You can not add a band because they have one prog-disc. The Who, Beatles, Queen and others have one or two progressive song or album too... They don't must be add here !!!



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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 14:31
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

The bulk of Genesis material is not prog. Genesis only released prog up to Duke - from 1970-1980 is only 10 years. From 1980 to now is 15 years.

Prog is a mixture of many genres and it's not about technicality.

Death were a Death metal band.

Hi Cert. You're right prog is not only about technicality, but Chuck Schuldiner always denied Death's being a death metal band (he always described it as just a metal band), and having heard plenty of death metal I agree with him. 

Just to split a hair or two.



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Posted By: billyshears'67
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 14:31
Originally posted by Prog-Brazil Prog-Brazil wrote:

You can not add a band because they have one prog-disc. The Who, Beatles, Queen and others have one or two progressive song or album too... They don't must be add here !!!



As Marvin Gaye said, "Right On"

Peace & take care
 


Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 14:36
Originally posted by billyshears'67 billyshears'67 wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Watch Tower are in the archives. They didn't invent prog metal, their first album was released after "And Justice...".



Watch Tower's first album "Energetic Dissassembly" came out in 1985. WAY before "...And Justice...."

Check your facts mate

Peace & take care
 

Not a track over 5 and a half minutes though. I normally do check my facts very carefully, but really that's a moot point since Metallica already had two very progressive albums out before then, and "Master..." blew it away.



Posted By: billyshears'67
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 14:36
Originally posted by billyshears'67 billyshears'67 wrote:

Metallica was a mixture of hard rock, metal, and thrash, not prog. Christ, just because they have some technicality people want to call them prog. I know a lot more technical metal bands that could be on here besides Metallica.

More examples: Death, Nevermore (i.e. The Politics of Ecstasy)

Peace & take care


I was NOT stating here that technicality = prog. What I was said was misconstrued as that. What I was meant was that's all you can really consider when calling Metallica prog.

This is crap, Metallica made progressions over each album, like most other bands do, that doesn't make them prog.

The inclusion of Metallica in the Archives would mean chaos. Everybody would start to complain about this and that band because Metallica was included.

Peace & take care
 


Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 14:42

Loads of people STILL complain about Radiohead - but few seem to mind Uriah Heep.

You can please some of the people some of the time...



Posted By: billyshears'67
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 14:47
True, Certif1ed.




Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 14:47

Have people really got nothing better to do than vote over and over to try to swing the poll?



Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 14:48

System of a Down...Great idea mailto:M@X - M@X

Metallica...no way



Posted By: billyshears'67
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 14:49
Seriously, but the poll finally got fixed.

But, we'll never know the truth about the voting.

Peace & take care


Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 14:49
I would say Justice and Puppets are half prog... To live is To Die, One, AJFA, MOP, Orion, and call of the ktulu from ride the lightning are thier onl;y major prog ventures...

what does everyone think of the latter years? from load to st anger? Black Album is kind of a midway point between early tallica and later tallica

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Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 14:51
SOAD? Prog, no way in hell!

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Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 15:14

After having added Metalliva and System Of A Down, shall we also add AC/DC?



Posted By: billyshears'67
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 15:19
Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

After having added Metalliva and System Of A Down, shall we also add AC/DC?

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Good point Joren!

Peace & take care
 


Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 15:23
Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

After having added Metalliva and System Of A Down, shall we also add AC/DC?

Why not...we've already added Zappa and Beefheart



Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 15:30

I'm a SOAD fan. They create some intense and wild songs, melodies, etc. While they are one of the best metal bands out there, they are not progressive at all. I can understand where you get this idea, on a few numbers they can sound progressive, for about a minute or so but not enough to consider them a prog band.

About Metallica: I have only heard one album by them, and it wasn't the best thing i've ever heard. I dont think i can give an accurate, unbaised opinoin about them, so i won't comment on them.



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Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 15:33
Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

About Metallica: I have only heard one album by them



which album?



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Posted By: maani
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 15:43

Max:

Metallica?  Surely you jest!  At best, they were "proto" prog-metal, in the same way that The Beatles became "proto" prog.  But The Bealtes are not a "prog" group, and neither is Metallica.  Indeed, if "Sgt. Pepper" is not a prog album, then "And Justice For All" isn't either.  And if your criterion for inclusion on the site is that a band has only a single prog album - even if they put out 700 albums - then including Metallica but not The Beatles would be wrong.

This is why I have always felt that a band should not be included on the site simply because they happen to make one, or even two, albums that are (or might be considered) "prog."  A band should not be included on the site unless the majority of its output over an extended period is "prog": i.e., the "ratio" system.  Or, at very least, there is a clear, broad acceptance that a band is, in fact, prog.

You are headed down a slippery slope, Max.  I hope you know what you're doing...

Peace.



Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 15:49
Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

  A band should not be included on the site unless the majority of its output over an extended period is "prog"


Then get Radiohead and Genesis out then!

That logic is so flawed, as people have different opinions on what is prog and what isn't. Most people say Radiohead and Voivod aren't prog, god knows how they made it on this site. I would be fine with Metallica being here though, i voted no because their only prog work lies in MOP and justice. As for Megadeth and SOAD, you gotta be kidding!

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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 15:53
Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:

Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

About Metallica: I have only heard one album by them



which album?

Metallica (or "The Black Album" as i have heard it refered to). Some of the songs were good, ie. Enter Sandman; Hoilier Than Thou; and a few of the others. 



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Posted By: JrKASperov
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 15:53
Metallica is Speed Metal, not prog, fusion or art rock.

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Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 15:55
Originally posted by JrKASperov JrKASperov wrote:

Metallica is Speed Metal, not prog, fusion or art rock.


in small occasions, mostly they are thrash/standard heavy metal. No way art rock or fusion.

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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 16:05

I have to agree with Maani, Max.

You and Roni have created a truly great site here, but there do need to be boundaries. If too many fringe (or beyond) bands are included, especially the more popular ones, it will permanently distort the core values of the site.

All. This is not about how good Metallica are, this only about how prog they are.



Posted By: ayreon.esposito
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 16:17

No, no and no

I METALLICA can't to stay in this site because this site is a site PROGRESSIVE!!! I Metallica are TRASH-METAL and many albums of them are very commercial. The first album commercial of metallica that it is commercial is Load!!

I am against this offert!!!!!!

 

NO METALLICA!!! NO METALLICA!!! THEY AREN'T THE TRUE METAL! THEY ARE VERY COMMERCIAL!!!!!!



Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 16:26

HAPPY APRIL'S FOOL !

 



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Posted By: maani
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 16:28

frenchie:

Re Genesis, even though it would seem that, on a strictly ratio basis, they might not "make the cut," that is why I allowed for the second criterion: that there is a "clear, broad acceptance" that a band is prog.  No one on this site would argue that Genesis is not prog, even if they ceased being truly so by Duke or Abacab: they had still put out seven or eight consecutive albums that were, without question, prog.  Indeed, even on a ratio basis they might still make the cut.

As for Radiohead, I have heard only one album thus far (Kid A), which I will be reviewing soon.  Suffice to say that, now that I have had a chance to listen to them, there is no question in my mind whatsoever that they are prog - or, at very least, that Kid A is prog.  Thus, they already qualify under Max's scheme.  I will be listening to their other albums soon to determine, to my own satisfaction, whether Kid A was a fluke, or is representative of their sound.

Thus, I still believe that the ratio system is the best one - allowing for the secondary criterion in cases where a band clearly belongs even though they might "fail" were there strict adherence to the ratio system.

Peace.



Posted By: maani
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 16:29

Max:

Have you ever seen the picture "Murder on the Orient Express?"  That's the one where it turns out that everyone had helped murder the victim.  You're next...

Excellent joke!

Peace.



Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 16:30
, You had me there! Maybe I should go to sleep, I am obviously not thinking clearly.

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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 16:30
God you lot are so easy!!!!!LOL

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Posted By: Sweetnighter
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 16:30
Originally posted by M@X M@X wrote:

HAPPY APRIL'S FOOL !

 



whew....


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Posted By: ayreon.esposito
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 16:52

MAANI you can't to threaten the person on this forum

Many groups in this site aren't Progressive but if you insrt other groups not prog you are stupid!

I met the metallica and they aren't absolutely Progressive. If you are a idiot.... Then insert them!!!!!

YOU CAN'T THREATEN!

BYE BYE



Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 16:59
Originally posted by ayreon.esposito ayreon.esposito wrote:

MAANI you can't to threaten the person on this forum

Many groups in this site aren't Progressive but if you insrt other groups not prog you are stupid!

I met the metallica and they aren't absolutely Progressive. If you are a idiot.... Then insert them!!!!!

YOU CAN'T THREATEN!

BYE BYE

come on,nobody is threatening anybody-this is a joke.Smile.Hug



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Posted By: maani
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 17:07

Ayreon:

Uhh....mmmm...when did I threaten?  What did I threaten?

Max:

April Fool's it may be.  But one thing this joke showed: just how many people think Metallica are prog and should be included!  About 50%!!  Yikes!  It's a good thing you reserve such decisions to yourself, and don't go specifically by democratic vote!  Thanks for being a benevolent dictator!!!

Peace.



Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 17:10

*shakes fist*

Bah!



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Posted By: Prog_Bassist
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 17:16
Hmmmm....

I think both bands have somewhat prog elements implemented into their music, but alas, SOAD is nu-metal, and if you were to classify metallica as prog, you'd have to classify every other metal band too. Ya know?

Get where I'm comin from?

I mean, whatever tickles your pickle, just ya know, my opinion still stands.

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Posted By: ayreon.esposito
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 17:25

if you think so now you must insert all the metals groups: The 50 per cent is so because the many people listen prog together metal!

Bye Bye

 



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 17:37
No. Don't put them in the archive. It will attract all sorts of metal-heads.


Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 17:39

NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!

This is insanity!

Metallica is my 2nd favourite band of all time, but as other people have said, if you're gonna add Metallica you may as well add every other band out there.

Metallica are not prog!

Whatever everyone says about them influencing prog metal etc doesn't make them prog. It's been said a million times over that they were a THRASH METAL band. Changing some tempos and having complex structures etc doesn't make them prog.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't add Metallica or System Of A Down. I would have very serious doubts about this place if Metallica were added as a "prog" band.

NO!!!



Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 17:41
Originally posted by Valarius Valarius wrote:

NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!

This is insanity!

Metallica is my 2nd favourite band of all time, but as other people have said, if you're gonna add Metallica you may as well add every other band out there.

Metallica are not prog!

Whatever everyone says about them influencing prog metal etc doesn't make them prog. It's been said a million times over that they were a THRASH METAL band. Changing some tempos and having complex structures etc doesn't make them prog.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't add Metallica or System Of A Down. I would have very serious doubts about this place if Metallica were added as a "prog" band.

NO!!!

You are insane!!! have you read all the thread???Embarrassed

Besides Metallica have played with a Classical orchestra,that makes em prog in my book!LOL



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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 17:42

Originally posted by Crimson Prince Crimson Prince wrote:

No. Don't put them in the archive. It will attract all sorts of metal-heads.

Too late, I'm already here.



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Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 17:43
Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

Originally posted by Valarius Valarius wrote:

NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!

This is insanity!

Metallica is my 2nd favourite band of all time, but as other people have said, if you're gonna add Metallica you may as well add every other band out there.

Metallica are not prog!

Whatever everyone says about them influencing prog metal etc doesn't make them prog. It's been said a million times over that they were a THRASH METAL band. Changing some tempos and having complex structures etc doesn't make them prog.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't add Metallica or System Of A Down. I would have very serious doubts about this place if Metallica were added as a "prog" band.

NO!!!

You are insane!!! have you read all the thread???Embarrassed

Besides Metallica have played with a Classical orchestra,that makes em prog in my book!LOL

Yeah, whoops, just noticed the "April Fools"... I was uhh... just playing along.



Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 17:44
Originally posted by Valarius Valarius wrote:

Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

Originally posted by Valarius Valarius wrote:

NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!

This is insanity!

Metallica is my 2nd favourite band of all time, but as other people have said, if you're gonna add Metallica you may as well add every other band out there.

Metallica are not prog!

Whatever everyone says about them influencing prog metal etc doesn't make them prog. It's been said a million times over that they were a THRASH METAL band. Changing some tempos and having complex structures etc doesn't make them prog.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't add Metallica or System Of A Down. I would have very serious doubts about this place if Metallica were added as a "prog" band.

NO!!!

You are insane!!! have you read all the thread???Embarrassed

Besides Metallica have played with a Classical orchestra,that makes em prog in my book!LOL

Yeah, whoops, just noticed the "April Fools"... I was uhh... just playing along.

LOLCourse you were!



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Posted By: walrus
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 18:27
yeah, and why not guns and roses, nirvana, oasis, tom jones and the cardigans????

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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 18:42

Originally posted by walrus walrus wrote:

yeah, and why not guns and roses, nirvana, oasis, tom jones and the cardigans????

Hey,Tom Jones has progged his wicked way across the whole of Europe and the USA!

Big smile



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Posted By: bluetailfly
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 19:09

I propose we change the name of the website to the:

Death Metal Archives (also with Prog)

Or

Prog Archives (Now with Real Hunks of Metal!)



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Posted By: penguindf12
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 19:59

I have no problem with adding them, personally, but it was all a joke. Max already told us:

APRIL FOOL

Duh. I knew it the second I saw the thread.

Good joke though...but I really wouldn't mind them being added. As I said, I don't care who's added. It makes no difference to me, as long as real prog is here. Now if we took Yes off and added Britney Spears, I'd have a problem. But even if we did add Spears, I wouldn't mind, as long as Yes and the other prog bands're still here. Doesn't matter to me.



Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 20:01
Originally posted by bluetailfly bluetailfly wrote:

I propose we change the name of the website to the:

Death Metal Archives (also with Prog)

Or

Prog Archives (Now with Real Hunks of Metal!)



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Posted By: Ben2112
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 20:55
Originally posted by M@X M@X wrote:

HAPPY APRIL'S FOOL !

 

AHAHAHAHAHA we shoulda known!

 



Posted By: 46and2
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 21:43
I couldnt believe you were serious, maybe 1 metallica album but all there 90's stuff pop, nu-metal almost i like there older stuff  Ride the lightning but it isnt really progressive...maybe call of ctulu

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Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 22:14

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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 22:26
Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

Max:

April Fool's it may be.  But one thing this joke showed: just how many people think Metallica are prog and should be included!  About 50%!!  Yikes!  It's a good thing you reserve such decisions to yourself, and don't go specifically by democratic vote!  Thanks for being a benevolent dictator!!!

Peace.

 

The poll results were tricked



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Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 22:33

THE ONLY METAL ORIENTED BAND OF THE 80'S I KNOW THAT COULD BE HERE IS MERCYFUL FATE!



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Posted By: Rob The Good
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 00:11


I have to say you had me there. But the joke's on all the people who said "Yeah add them!"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

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Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 00:39
Originally posted by M@X M@X wrote:

HAPPY APRIL'S FOOL !

 

 



Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 01:40
The level is getting lower and lower here...
Hope it's a joke...


Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 02:27

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

The level is getting lower and lower here...
Hope it's a joke...

It is a joke. Look above.



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Posted By: eriksalkeld
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 03:03
I LOVE Metallica but it cannot fit in this site... do you think it can do along with classics like genesis? yes? or new prog like dream theater? spock's beard?  Also, if metallica enters the archives, then you should have to add hundreds of metal bands!!! (Megadeth, Death, Destruction, Kreator, Suicidal Tendencies?.. you don't want to do it don't you? then you should have to visit http://www.metalstorm.ee - www.metalstorm.ee ).... i'm not saying metallica doesn't have prog influences, they managed to do such great songs like Orion, Master of Puppets, And Justice fo All, The Call of Ktulu, Fade to Black, The Frayed ends of Sanity, To live is to Die, One and some others, but they ARE NOT a prog band, not because you find some irregular songs in metal, i'm saying, with various parts and riffs not easily to be made in this genre, they would be necessarily prog... We're talking just about SOME songs taken out from just 4 albums of the 10 albums!!! they've taken out in 20 years... please.... Metallica can't be added in this site's PROG archives. Please don't!! by the way if you think Metallica does prog, try Megadeth, IMO they're better than Metallica, though Metallica are one of the most important bands in Rock / Metal history.

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Posted By: eriksalkeld
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 03:06
HAHAHAHAHAHHAA I HAD JUST READ THE FIRST REPLIES!!!! HAHA GOOD JOKE, BUT ALSO A GOOD EXPERIMENT, HAIL METALLICA!!!!.....not to be added here....

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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 03:15
Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

The level is getting lower and lower here... Hope it's a joke...


It is a joke. Look above.



Ok
That's cool.
Hope it's a joke from Dream Theatre too.


Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 04:06

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4754&PN=3&TPN=2 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4754&a mp;PN=3&TPN=2

Plodder wrote a very interesting comment in his third post on that page, I think you might want to check it out, Oliver...

Although I can already see where the next flame is going to shoot up from...



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Posted By: Radioactive Toy
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 04:06

arses



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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 04:10

Nice one Max!Clap

I haven't been caught for years, but you got me fair and square there.EmbarrassedLOL



Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 04:18
Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

This is why I have always felt that a band should not be included on the site simply because they happen to make one, or even two, albums that are (or might be considered) "prog."  A band should not be included on the site unless the majority of its output over an extended period is "prog": i.e., the "ratio" system.  Or, at very least, there is a clear, broad acceptance that a band is, in fact, prog.

Maani,

Just to follow up on your point, I'm not at all comfortable with the ratio idea. As others have pointed out, that could lead to bands such as Genesis et al being excluded. The "broad acceptance" idea is better, but necessarily more woolly.

I would say any band which has made prog albums over a period of time (i.e. not just a one off) should qualify, regardless of whether or not they later (or earlier) strayed.

To give you an example of why ratios would not work, lets say 50% (for arguement's sake) of Genesis albums were prog, and the required ratio is 75%, they would not qualify. If however they had changed their name after Hacket left to say "Then there were three", Geneiss would then qualify, and TTWT would not.Confused



Posted By: Alfi
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 04:35
i kind of lost faith in this forum because many people actually took this serious and defendet metallica


Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 05:02
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Loads of people STILL complain about Radiohead - but few seem to mind Uriah Heep.

You can please some of the people some of the time...

Cert,

I can understand, and sympathise with your point re Radiohead. You are however guilty of constantly doing the same thing with Uriah Heep! Confused



Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 05:03

Originally posted by Alfi Alfi wrote:

i kind of lost faith in this forum because many people actually took this serious and defendet metallica

 

Some people here did consider some of Metallica's efforts slightly prog, and Certif1ed only pointed out that many prog metal bands are inspired by them. That's it. Other than that 90% of the people who posted were against its being included in the archives. And as for the poll results, multiple votes were allowed and people just started joking about with this option, hence so many votes for Metallica.

So don't lose your faith in the Archives just yet, Alfi.



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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 05:45
Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4754&PN=3&TPN=2 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4754&a mp;PN=3&TPN=2


Plodder wrote a very interesting comment in his third post on that page, I think you might want to check it out, Oliver...


Although I can already see where the next flame is going to shoot up from...



"Celebrate the different moods, colours and textures contained in our progressive tastes. Don't spend your time hating someones personal tastes."

Yes, but DT is not prog, so it can't be a part of our progressive tastes.
It's out of category!


Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 05:52
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4754&PN=3&TPN=2 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4754&a mp;a mp;PN=3&TPN=2


Plodder wrote a very interesting comment in his third post on that page, I think you might want to check it out, Oliver...


Although I can already see where the next flame is going to shoot up from...



"Celebrate the different moods, colours and textures contained in our progressive tastes. Don't spend your time hating someones personal tastes."

Yes, but DT is not prog, so it can't be a part of our progressive tastes. It's out of category!

Wow I really can predict the future!



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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 07:38
Originally posted by M@X M@X wrote:

HAPPY APRIL'S FOOL !

 

The first of April is the day we remember what we are the other 364 days of the year. -- Mark Twain

 

I seem to remember reading somewhere that you have to play April Fool's jokes before midday - otherwise the perpetrator is the fool...

 



Posted By: ayreon.esposito
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 07:42

OH YEAH

NOW I SEE THAT THE METALLICA MUSTN'T STAY ON TIS SITE!!!!

THE METAL HEADS MUSTN'T ENTER ON THIS SITE!!!!



Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 07:49
Originally posted by ayreon.esposito ayreon.esposito wrote:

OH YEAH

NOW I SEE THAT THE METALLICA MUSTN'T STAY ON TIS SITE!!!!

THE METAL HEADS MUSTN'T ENTER ON THIS SITE!!!!

PLEASE STOP SHOUTING!!!

Are you saying we should remove all "prog metal" bands like Dream Theater, Watch Tower and Symphony X?



Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 09:08
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4754&PN=3&TPN=2 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4754&a mp;a mp;PN=3&TPN=2


Plodder wrote a very interesting comment in his third post on that page, I think you might want to check it out, Oliver...


Although I can already see where the next flame is going to shoot up from...



"Celebrate the different moods, colours and textures contained in our progressive tastes. Don't spend your time hating someones personal tastes."

Yes, but DT is not prog, so it can't be a part of our progressive tastes.
It's out of category!

Who says they are not Prog(or at least a Prog genre)?You do!  Well thats ok then cuz I say that they are!!!!



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Posted By: Batts
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 15:22

Metallica prog??, why not concidering Neal Young



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Posted By: Prog_Bassist
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 15:23
hahaha I justn oticed the april's fool's.






I hate april fools....

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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 15:24
Originally posted by Batts Batts wrote:

Metallica prog??, why not concidering Neal Young

Sorry to see that Neil Young has been treated for a brain aneurism recently.



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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 15:28
Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

Originally posted by Batts Batts wrote:

Metallica prog??, why not concidering Neal Young

Sorry to see that Neil Young has been treated for a brain aneurism recently.

 poor guy, hasn't had the happiest of lives - alcoholism, bringing up a retarted (I'm using this word in its clinical meaning here) son



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Posted By: Fibonacci's Se
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 19:54
hmmm...have you seen the clip of lars attemting a 3/4 on the making of the black album!? its pathetic he startes cusing and throws his sticks...but i should mention that i like metallica and have 3 of thier albums...so im not trying to be pecimistic or anything but i dont think metallica is prog enough for a webpage dedicated entirly to prog


...sorry


Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: April 03 2005 at 06:35

Originally posted by Fibonacci's Se Fibonacci's Se wrote:

hmmm...have you seen the clip of lars attemting a 3/4 on the making of the black album!? its pathetic he startes cusing and throws his sticks...but i should mention that i like metallica and have 3 of thier albums...so im not trying to be pecimistic or anything but i dont think metallica is prog enough for a webpage dedicated entirly to prog


...sorry

Tongue



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Posted By: Wizard/TRueStar
Date Posted: April 03 2005 at 11:19

Originally posted by M@X M@X wrote:

HAPPY APRIL'S FOOL !

Oh man! You got me!!!!!!  This thread was pissing me off till I saw that^

I hate Metallica especially the boring Justice album.  I saw them live once and wanted to take a nap except every time I started to nod off all I heard was "Oooooooh yeah-ha!!!!".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Megadeth is better.



Posted By: goose
Date Posted: April 03 2005 at 16:26
Did nobody else realise it was an April Fools' thing? I can understand for those not from Britain/the US/France/Germany/any others? but for those who have it in their country...!


Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: April 03 2005 at 17:05
why is this thread stuck up the top of the main discussions page?

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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: April 03 2005 at 17:21

Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:

why is this thread stuck up the top of the main discussions page?

Jeez Frenchie! You've already had your butt kicked by KE9,so dont pick on the main man-Max!!LOL



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Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: April 03 2005 at 17:56
Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:

why is this thread stuck up the top of the main discussions page?

Jeez Frenchie! You've already had your butt kicked by KE9,so dont pick on the main man-Max!!LOL



had my butt kicked? is he back yet?

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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: April 03 2005 at 18:14
Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:

Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:

why is this thread stuck up the top of the main discussions page?

Jeez Frenchie! You've already had your butt kicked by KE9,so dont pick on the main man-Max!!LOL



had my butt kicked? is he back yet?

His name keeps appearing at the bottom of the main screen but as yet,no posts!

 Petrucci, daveGilmour, cedric, Useful_Idiot, alexlifeson, greglake, Reed Lover, frenchie, alan_white, Karnevil9, kylieminogue, larsulrich, rogerwaters

Big smile



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Posted By: pakish
Date Posted: April 03 2005 at 19:19
Metallica started greatly but after the black album MTV and popularity killed them (speaking of quality). It's true they're metal but please! not only 'cause dream theater made a cover in japan you can tell that are the same or the same to porcupine, tree symphony X, shadow gallery, mullmuzzler, etc.
If they're first album are good intruduction tu metal world is different.
They should not be added to the archive... and System of a down???? Please!


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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: April 03 2005 at 21:27
Great way to start April Fools Day  I love it! On a serious note - of course any one who thinks Metallic is prog or fits into this archive is, well... No - Max to even have that thought is abhorent to me and many others who can not stand Metallica - Cheers

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Posted By: Pathetique
Date Posted: April 03 2005 at 23:03

Bah! Enought about Metallica, how about Iron Maiden or ManOwar (the kings of Metal, who by the way both bands can play the pants off metallica anyday of the week)

"We fight to the death.  To the last man.  To the last breath.  Death to False Metal!  Into Glory Ride!"

Metal Rules!



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