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oliverstoned 
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i don't hate them, but find them quite dated, like the Nice. (but less than the Nice)
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 14:43 |
Although i think (very) highly of their early work, its as my mate Reg is fond of saying:
"You listen to Works by ELP and you begin to understand why Punk happened!"
What tickles me the most is how their fanatical followers are blinded by their own passion - t'other week one of them was seriously suggesting that Lake was on a technical par (or even above) Steve Howe for acoustic guitar ability. Lake may be pretty nifty on the acoustic - but even things like "The Sage" (which was offered as evidence in said dispute) doesn't even approach - in pure technical terms - any of Howe's acoustic work.
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Matt0001
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 14:04 |
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As a teenager, I listened to three bands almost exclusively--Jethro
Tull, Yes, and Emerson, Lake and Palmer. Now that I'm a mature grown
up, with, let's say, less dogmatic tastes, I can still find a lot to
like and love in Tull and Yes. I can't say the same for ELP. The only
thing that still can pull me back to ELP is a sense of nostalgia,
rarely for any true musical or artistic reasons. Now when I listen to
them, I only hear immature, almost vulgar, bombast. There's no
subtlety. There is no variation in tone or texture from track to track
(the exception being the radio-ready Lake ballads which are trite and
goofy in their own way.) Always Greg Lake sings with volume, and
Emerson clops along the keyboard like a lead-shoed horse. (Even Rick
Wakeman is more subtle.)
I also impishly love to hate Emerson, Lake, and Palmer. For some silly
reason, I enjoy criticizing them. They're an easy target--like Kevin
Smith movies, egg McMuffins, and the San Fernando Valley. And their fans
look so cute when they're fuming.
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Reed Lover
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 13:47 |
 Dick Heath wrote:
How about Chris Deburgh?
Or Europe, in more ways than one: might be called a sort of gone west Asia?
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Hey Dick, Snyths!
I noticed!!!
We should have a worst joke of the week award!
Mind you,receiving any award is not to be smithed at!
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 13:34 |
The Progarchives Home Page has this:
" As today, the discography filed 7,026 titles from exactly 1,515 bands.
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I guess my question is, out of this vast number of different musical groups, why is there so much space & time taken up with ELP on this site ?
No, I don't hate them...
BUT, there does seem to be a lot of hype & fluff with regards to -
not only ELP but - lots of other prog groups mentioned here as well.
Which prog bands are mostly hype & fluff ?
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Dick Heath
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 13:22 |
How about Chris Deburgh?
Or Europe, in more ways than one: might be called a sort of gone west Asia?
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 13:04 |
I'm another one that doesn't hate ELP, I even consider among my top 10 favorite bands for their work until BSS, I saw them two times on stage and really enjoyed their concerts.
But (There's always a but) I never read so much propaganda for a band as in this forum, I hate to read lists where each and every option is an ELP musician, album or song, that's one of the main reasons I left the Genesis forum, because I'm a fan but not deaf, not all the songs or albums from one band are perfect, not all their musicians are genius, and this is what I read from some ELP fans.
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Cluster One
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 12:43 |
I dislike them because ELP are Style Over Substance 
Technically, Emerson is a wizard. But then again, so are Steve Vai and Yngwie Malmsteen 
Besides they are not 100% dismissable. We need to be exposed to
them. It is VERY important that all proggers become versed in
ELP's catalogue, if only so you can determine what is bad, and what is
REALLY BAD!
ELP are kind of like 'Phys Ed for the Fat Kid" type stuff. Good for you, even if you don't like it! 
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Marmalade...I like marmalade.
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Blacksword
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 11:41 |
Swinton MCR wrote:
Never been to a Gospel Tea Party so I'll take your word for it !
We didn't have the Gospel at my school - we were too poor !
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Yeah, believe me, they're frightful affairs, and Pallas play at every one of them. The only gigs they can get these days..
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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richardh
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 11:34 |
Interesting comments by all.Thankfully the thread has stayed on track so far and hopefully will continue to do so.
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 10:53 |
Blacksword wrote:
Swinton MCR wrote:
Why is the Pallas Atlantic suite Cringeworthy ?
Ok the "All the world hold hands with me" bit is a bit pacifist and Girlie and should have been replaced with a bit of political psycho-babble like Twelfth Night - But the chord-build up and guitar solo are quite spectacular - are they not ???
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There's nothing wrong the pacifist element in principle, but the cheesy ending ruins a potentially good song. The build up and chords as you rightly say are very dramatic, but all it amounts to is a second rate gospel tea party IMO
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AH! MEN ! PALLAS rules! ronnie's keys are absolutely delightful!
"the sea boiled again as atlamtis descends, to its place far below...."
richard, regarding ELP, they are very good, I don't have any problem with them. however, they never produced masterpiece from A to Z. BSS has some weaker parts, like benny the bouncer.
richard, i live the same problem as yours: actually, I don't understand why your WORST prog band is TRIUMVIRAT! you should be glad that ELP has a little cousin!
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[HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!>
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 10:19 |
Just to let you know Richard, I am one who likes ELP and put them in my top 5 of all time list. The first album, Tarkus, Pictures at an Exhibition, Trilogy, and Brain Salad Surgery were the soundtracks to my teenage years. I played those albums endlessly and loved them. 
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Swinton MCR
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 10:01 |
Never been to a Gospel Tea Party so I'll take your word for it !
We didn't have the Gospel at my school - we were too poor !
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Blacksword
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 09:42 |
Swinton MCR wrote:
Why is the Pallas Atlantic suite Cringeworthy ?
Ok the "All the world hold hands with me" bit is a bit pacifist and Girlie and should have been replaced with a bit of political psycho-babble like Twelfth Night - But the chord-build up and guitar solo are quite spectacular - are they not ???
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There's nothing wrong the pacifist element in principle, but the cheesy ending ruins a potentially good song. The build up and chords as you rightly say are very dramatic, but all it amounts to is a second rate gospel tea party IMO
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Jimbo
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 09:25 |
I think they actually made a few good albums in the 70's but mainly
they are just not my cup of tea. Maybe a bit too pompous for me. 
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Swinton MCR
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 09:15 |
Why is the Pallas Atlantic suite Cringeworthy ?
Ok the "All the world hold hands with me" bit is a bit pacifist and Girlie and should have been replaced with a bit of political psycho-babble like Twelfth Night - But the chord-build up and guitar solo are quite spectacular - are they not ???
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The-Bullet
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 09:14 |
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Not top of my list, but are certainly up there. I would love to have seen them live at their peak. 1 thing for sure is that they are great showmen.
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"Why say it cannot be done.....they'd be better doing pop songs?"
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 09:08 |
Jim Garten wrote:
On the other side of the coin you get such cringeworthy moments as
the closing section of Karn Evil (the only time I think this has been
out-cringed was during 'Atlantis' by Pallas), . |
I like Pallas but even I press the skip button when the Atlantis suite comes on the player.
Getting back on topic however, prog is one of the few genres that
can sustain a certain amount of Bombast but there is a limit to
everything...
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I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision.
- Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill
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Certif1ed
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 09:00 |
Karnevil9 wrote:
Jim Garten wrote:
I can happily admit to being 100% in love with some of their recorded output - there is no doubt (in my mind, at least) that ELP produced some of the most spectacular moments of prog - take as an example, the live version of 'Tarkus' from 'Welcome back my friends....' - from Emerson's inspired beginning to the spectacular conclusion, pure class!
Hi Jim
Listerning to 'Welcome back my friends' & judging ELP as a live band through that is no good,I've never yet listerned to a band live on album which actually creates the true band live,these are manufactured albums for general salebeing what the record company whans the fan base to hear,You must must see the band live to realise what a fantastic trio they actually are...Even there Studo albums don't do the band justice...But it's all to late now boys...'BSS' was over 30 years ago..
It goes like this..You cannot actually say the band or good or bad if you did'nt actually see them play.
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How does any of this answer the question "why don't people like ELP?" 
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Swinton MCR
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 08:26 |
ELP definately have their moments - But are they any more accesible to the average "popophile" than Old Genesis/Yes , can't see it myself.
The problem with ELP is they haven't produced a piece of music that is magic from beginning to end (that I've heard) - Tis the same with Floyd they always have a weird/weak bit in their epics that detract from the whole, Suppers ready/Tales x4/Gates/Close are truly fine pieces of music from beginning to end (IMO)....................
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