Roger Waters - The Pros & Cons of Going Solo |
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Psychedelic Paul
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The Times They Are a-Changing..... There was a time not so long ago when I would've preferred Bob Dylan over Roger Waters, but that was before I listened to all of Roger Waters' solo albums on ProgArchives, especially his amazing 5-star Live performances, just like the one below - one of my all-time favourite Prog_Rock concerts. 2020: Roger Waters - Us + Them - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf-Mb-ADrb0 Edited by Psychedelic Paul - March 25 2023 at 05:19 |
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As always Pauls ratings are at odds with everyone else and the real nature of things..
PA ratings- Waters and Geesin 2.83 Pros and Cons 3.07 Radio Kaos 2.97 Amused To Death 3.93 Ca IRA 3.33 Is This the LIfe 3.73 Stravinskys Soldiers Tale 3.09 Final Cut (listed as a Floyd lp) 3.19 There are several lps by Dylan ,Bowie, and Young I would play and own over anything solo by Waters.... now Pink Floyd early lps would be a different matter. Could care less about his politics ..just talking the music here. |
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very poetic |
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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Psychedelic Paul
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Yes, whereas Roger Waters' political views are often met by The Wall of indifference, he's One of the Few artists whose music will live on forever in The Endless River of time, long after Roger's gone to that Great Gig in the Sky. 1983: Pink Floyd - The Final Cut - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFEDE25F4A684239E Roger Waters - Two Suns in the Sunset: The final and best song from The Final Cut album, given a dramatic reworking here for the 2020 Us + Them tour. Edited by Psychedelic Paul - March 23 2023 at 11:52 |
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Dylan, Bowie, Neil Young....sorry, but to me, they're way behind Waters.
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For sure, Pros and Cons was a brilliant concept. Effects me emotionally every time I experience it.
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Psychedelic Paul
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Agreed. It's One of the Few places where RW gets fair treatment, bearing in mind this thread is all about the music with just a light sprinkling of politics. |
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I guess, mr. RW gets quite another treatment in this thread than in the other. I've tried to make it fair.
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Regardless of its execution, I think that The Pros And Cons was a brilliant concept. And I think it was Waters last brilliant concept. The rest has been beating a dead horse. The same social topics and commentary, but with a different famous guitarist. Too bad he lost his muse.
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I consider Waters a top ten Rock composer. Up there with Dylan, Bowie, and Neil Young.
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1979: Pink Floyd - The Wall - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nE3dmeYl_9Jgv2CT0aqufkDcyB6BBMcGM
A scene from Alan Parker's The Wall, starring Bob Geldof as the leader of a far-right neo-Nazi movement. Is Roger Waters anti-Semitic? No comment. |
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1979: Pink Floyd - The Wall - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nE3dmeYl_9Jgv2CT0aqufkDcyB6BBMcGM Edited by Psychedelic Paul - March 22 2023 at 08:54 |
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^ Better late than never with the 38-video playlist for Roger Waters' opera. Thanks for reminding me.
2005: Roger Waters - Ca Ira - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lN1_1cC7SPRFct9GprFWnNvLDspc7M214
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didn'tcha forget about Ca Ira? http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=9393 |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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1979: Pink Floyd - The Wall - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nE3dmeYl_9Jgv2CT0aqufkDcyB6BBMcGM Edited by Psychedelic Paul - March 22 2023 at 08:53 |
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Roger Waters' Discography & Videography 1970: Roger Waters & Ron Geesin - Music from the Body - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzBFgnyNqkU4_SkT0r5fX3jp 1979: Pink Floyd - The Wall - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nE3dmeYl_9Jgv2CT0aqufkDcyB6BBMcGM 1983: Pink Floyd - The Final Cut - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFEDE25F4A684239E 1984: Roger Waters - The Pros & Cons of Hitch Hiking - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzCSxYXG4-UGwf6xf5D0Ic0B 1986: Roger Waters - When the Wind Blows (soundtrack) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzBQz_2la6-iVC_xvhYzcwXC 1987: Radio Waters - Radio K.A.O.S. - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzDd-pCqs48b5fXYeRE-CTyp 1990: Roger Waters - The Wall - Live in Berlin - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzCEJqdCG4pOSGquuasY0Nao 1992: Roger Waters - Amused to Death - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzDLMqo_y4kLs_rppAZeLxML 2000: Roger Waters - In the Flesh - Live - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzBqNIjL2ow_fGPDpwFasTL0 2005: Roger Waters - Ca Ira - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lN1_1cC7SPRFct9GprFWnNvLDspc7M214 2010: Roger Waters - The Wall - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzDf96-4C_NiubT6tYYWe31- 2017: Roger Waters - Is This the Life We Really Want - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzA0ryrVBckGqBgGLylzzF5d 2020: Roger Waters - Us + Them - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf-Mb-ADrb0
Edited by Psychedelic Paul - March 25 2023 at 05:20 |
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I really wish Roger had recordings so that he could release a live album from this tour. Clapton might be one of the few guitar players that could really do justice to Gilmour's original solos. I remember hearing some bootleg songs at some point, all with rather poor quality, but I particularly remember a great version of Nobody Home, which is not one of my favourite songs from Floyd, actually, but he did add some wonderful solo that really made the song better. I actually got to hear a version of Wish you were Here with Clapton himself singing it (how I wish I could get a good quality version of that). |
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Head and shoulders above The Final Cut which is really a Roger Waters solo album.
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Indeed. I was living in London at that time and there was quite a fuss about Roger's posters of the original album cover being plastered all over the Tube (Underground). I remember a lot of the posters were defaced and finally had to be taken down and replaced with the new censored version.
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I'm sorry, if you were right, I'd agree with you. Robin Williams.
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I used to be a Roger Waters fanatic! That was until i got married and my wife was a Gilmour fanatic. I can tell you it almost ruined our relationship Now many years later we laugh at how we used to get heated about who was more important to Pink Floyd, Waters or Gilmour.
However, this thread is about the Pros and Cons of Going Solo. In my opinion PF had become compromised musically, and I am sure they were all desperate to get away from each other and release solo albums. So, in regards to Pros of Going Solo for Roger, I think that he realized that he could write songs until the cows came home. His problem was that he needed a good guitarist to play guitar/solos. This is why his decision to record as a solo artist was a good decision. When Pros and Cons was released I was so excited. I had been a Roger fan for years. My first instrument was Bass guitar and I thought that his way of playing was exact and with purpose and creativity. I still rate him as one of the best bass guitarists of all time. He had decided to get Eric Clapton on board who at that time was suffering from poorly received gigs after having being in rehab a few years earlier. Clapton had become bored and non creative and in my opinion he could finally let loose on Pros and Cons and it gave him a new found lease of life. It really does come out from Clapton and such sweet guitar is all over the Pros and Cons album. He made the album for me, although i did enjoy the album cover |
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I'm sorry, if you were right, I'd agree with you. Robin Williams.
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