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Poll Question: Choose your three favorite songs
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6 [12.00%]
3 [6.00%]
8 [16.00%]
0 [0.00%]
1 [2.00%]
4 [8.00%]
3 [6.00%]
2 [4.00%]
8 [16.00%]
2 [4.00%]
1 [2.00%]
1 [2.00%]
1 [2.00%]
5 [10.00%]
2 [4.00%]
3 [6.00%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Los Jaivas is listed on PA as prog folk.  Are you accepting bands on PA?

No, first rule was non-prog, non PA songs. 

This is not a prog round. 
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Los Jaivas is listed on PA as prog folk.  Are you accepting bands on PA?
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Originally posted by Sagichim Sagichim wrote:

Lorenzo you missed my video.

Yes, I see.

Now your song is at number 10. What kind of genre is? Samba-metal?

SONG # 1: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)
SONG # 2: BOSSANOVA
SONG # 3: ANDEAN FOLK
SONG # 4: LATIN ROCK
SONG # 5: RUMBA
SONG # 6: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)
SONG # 7: BAHAMIAN FOLK (Psychedelic calypso?)
SONG # 8: LATIN JAZZ-ROCK?
SONG # 9: SAMBA?
SONG # 10: SAMBA METAL?
SONG # 11: BOSSANOVA
SONG # 12: BOSSANOVA JAZZ
SONG # 13: TONADA (CHILEAN FOLK)
SONG # 14:
SONG # 15:




Edited by jamesbaldwin - June 24 2020 at 06:46
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Lorenzo you missed my video.
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Originally posted by Machinemessiah Machinemessiah wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Machinemessiah Machinemessiah wrote:

Hey Lorenzo..  great poll here...

One question..  Can you retire the offensive political message?  or one is allowed to post their own..?  (I think it is not the idea nor the spirit in a 'music' poll, no?).



Well, I don't speak Spanish but me and my friends, when we were young, we sang Carlos Puebla's Hasta Siempre, a song written on the day of Che Guevara's death. You live in Chile, and you know that in Latin America Che Guevara is a myth, and this song has got a lot of versions, so I wrote "Hasta Siempre Comandante Che Guevara". 

You don't have to consider it a political message: Che Guevara is now a legend, he's a romantic hero that many right-wing groups like in Europe. Consider my writing a tribute to a Latin American myth and a nostalgic memory of the times when I sang Hasta Siempre. We are for fun.

Agree? Come on, join us and participate in the poll with the Latin American song.
(Here the Inti Illimani version)


 

Hey Lorenzo! thank you for your reply; that completely does it for me; I even didn't know the song, so as you see..  I definitely take the spirit of what you say about the figure (if not the face value). You know, here in Latin America we have had rough times with the marxist thing; Chile in the 70's 'till the military freed us at the highest cost, though now we are at a highly polarized moment again, not unrelated, I think, to what's happening in other parts of the world as well. Venezuela today, is a humanitarian catastrophe, comparable to a country at war (though they aren't, nor among them), and we have hundreds of thousands of venezuelan immigrants (they are certainly welcome, truely, they're hardworking, but obviously it has its complications; only to give you an example of the magnitude of the debacle) as have other neighboring countries. Without mentioning the drug issue.. (Maduro is being charged by the Trump administration with narco-terrorism among others, doing the Region a much appreciated favor).


Well, appreciating your words again, to the music  Tongue 


Perhaps you could give me a little guide here.. I don't really know if you'd like something more popish or for instance something more folk, if you're interested for example in rhythms or the like. I don't know to what extent bands like Soda Stereo or Los Prisioneros are known worldwide. Also, if it can be on the Archives or not, thinking in 'Congreso', given 'Los Jaivas' are already in.

My first impulse is to throw some Soda.. they're the best overall around imo and have lots of top songs. What can you tell me? I also have some very Chilean folk thing in guitar with beautiful rhythms, a "tonada".


Oh, well you are the first person I meet who considers the military coup that brought Pinochet to power as a liberation (Allende had been elected president after regular elections).

But this is not the right place to talk about politics, let's go back to music! We are here to post our favorite songs, the ones we are most passionate about, so you can choose two songs: one for the poll, and one "out of competition". Be free to choose the ones you love most.




Edited by jamesbaldwin - June 24 2020 at 06:24
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Machinemessiah Machinemessiah wrote:

Hey Lorenzo..  great poll here...

One question..  Can you retire the offensive political message?  or one is allowed to post their own..?  (I think it is not the idea nor the spirit in a 'music' poll, no?).



Well, I don't speak Spanish but me and my friends, when we were young, we sang Carlos Puebla's Hasta Siempre, a song written on the day of Che Guevara's death. You live in Chile, and you know that in Latin America Che Guevara is a myth, and this song has got a lot of versions, so I wrote "Hasta Siempre Comandante Che Guevara". 

You don't have to consider it a political message: Che Guevara is now a legend, he's a romantic hero that many right-wing groups like in Europe. Consider my writing a tribute to a Latin American myth and a nostalgic memory of the times when I sang Hasta Siempre. We are for fun.

Agree? Come on, join us and participate in the poll with the Latin American song.
(Here the Inti Illimani version)


 

Hey Lorenzo! thank you for your reply; that completely does it for me; I even didn't know the song, so as you see..  I definitely take the spirit of what you say about the figure (if not the face value). You know, here in Latin America we have had rough times with the marxist thing; Chile in the 70's 'till the military freed us at the highest cost, though now we are at a highly polarized moment again, not unrelated, I think, to what's happening in other parts of the world as well. Venezuela today, is a humanitarian catastrophe, comparable to a country at war (though they aren't, nor among themselves either), and we have hundreds of thousands of venezuelan immigrants (they are certainly welcome, truely, they're hardworking and all, but obviously it has its complications; only to give you an example of the magnitude of the debacle) as have other neighboring countries. Without mentioning the drug issue.. (Maduro is being charged by the Trump administration with narco-terrorism among others, doing the Region a much appreciated favor).


Well, appreciating your words again, to the music  Tongue 


Perhaps you could give me a little guide here.. I don't really know if you'd like something more popish or for instance something more folk, if you're interested for example in rhythms or the like. I don't know to what extent bands like Soda Stereo or Los Prisioneros are known worldwide. Also, if it can be on the Archives or not, thinking in 'Congreso', given 'Los Jaivas' are already in.

My first impulse is to throw some Soda.. they're the best overall around imo and have lots of top songs. What can you tell me? I also have some very Chilean folk thing in guitar with beautiful rhythms, a "tonada".


UPDATE: I decided myself for the least known stuff.. and also a Chilean one.


Chicoria Sánchez - Tonada por Despedida

It is a "tonada" musical form, in 6/8, a typical rhythm here.. (for me resembles somewhat of a galloping horse); watch for the strumming at the end!  Smile









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Stan Getz and Jao Gilberto - O Grande Amor - bossa nova jazz
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Originally posted by Sagichim Sagichim wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

does Stan Getz with Brazilian musicians (or not) doing bossanova count?
otherwise I'll have my favorite Marley song. Embarrassed

I love the Stan Getz and Jao Gilberto album, beautiful stuff.

exactly, that's what I'm thinking Big smile
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

does Stan Getz with Brazilian musicians (or not) doing bossanova count?
otherwise I'll have my favorite Marley song. Embarrassed

I love the Stan Getz and Jao Gilberto album, beautiful stuff.
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

does Stan Getz with Brazilian musicians (or not) doing bossanova count?
otherwise I'll have my favorite Marley song. Embarrassed


Well, I think Stan Getz is ok. I dont know him, but,as I've written, 

Everyone will judge himself: if a person believes that a pop/rock song has a clear, evident contamination with Latin American music (in the sense of rhythm, composition or arrangement), he is free to post it. The important thing is that the Latin American influence is clearly evident. 

you listed raggae and bossa nova as possibilities, so it'll be one of these for me. 

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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

does Stan Getz with Brazilian musicians (or not) doing bossanova count?
otherwise I'll have my favorite Marley song. Embarrassed


Well, I think Stan Getz is ok. I dont know him, but,as I've written, 

Everyone will judge himself: if a person believes that a pop/rock song has a clear, evident contamination with Latin American music (in the sense of rhythm, composition or arrangement), he is free to post it. The important thing is that the Latin American influence is clearly evident. 

you listed raggae and bossa nova as possibilities, so it'll be one of these for me. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

does Stan Getz with Brazilian musicians (or not) doing bossanova count?
otherwise I'll have my favorite Marley song. Embarrassed


Well, I think Stan Getz is ok. I dont know him, but,as I've written, 

Everyone will judge himself: if a person believes that a pop/rock song has a clear, evident contamination with Latin American music (in the sense of rhythm, composition or arrangement), he is free to post it. The important thing is that the Latin American influence is clearly evident. 
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Christian, Piazzolla's Tango: Zero Hour is one of my favorite album.

I love it. 

I danced tango, and my master, Alberto Colombo, is an expert of Tango Nuevo. He is one of the best

dancer in Europa. See him:

 

Nice.
Actually Zero Hour is a top 5 album of all time for me, and more so, out of my top 5 of all time I think it's the one that has the most generally appealing quality, meaning that the other four top albums are probably much more only personal favourites than that I'd expect them to work for the general music lover.

Meaning that I'd put that album in the top achievements of humankind together with Fellini's La Dolce Vita and Dostoevskij's Brothers Karamazov and similar stellar quality culture. Piazzolla is a giant, nothing less. That said it's probably good to not have him as my competition entry, because chances are I'd have been insulted by every single vote that goes another way (except those that don't vote him because they know him already of course). Wink

Here's an anecdote though. On a conference I told an Argentinian colleague that I'm a fan of Piazzolla. He was delighted, but he also told me that many taxi drivers in Buenos Aires wouldn't take on Piazzolla because they didn't approve of what he did to tango. It's not always easy to be an innovator! I hope he liked walking...

And I've got to admit that I had a few tango lessons once but I was crap at it... I better just keep listening.


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Christian, Piazzolla's Tango: Zero Hour is one of my favorite album.

I love it. 

I danced tango, and my master, Alberto Colombo, is an expert of Tango Nuevo. He is one of the best

dancer in Europa. Please, watch him:






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@Lorenzo: Working Week is their band name.
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does Stan Getz with Brazilian musicians (or not) doing bossanova count?
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:




Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Until now:

SONG # 1: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)
SONG # 2: BOSSANOVA
SONG # 3: ANDEAN FOLK
SONG # 4: LATIN ROCK
SONG # 5: RUMBA
SONG # 6: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)
SONG # 7: BAHAMIAN FOLK (Psychedelic calypso?)
SONG # 8:
SONG # 9:
SONG # 10: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)

Not sure whether you have seen my edit. I took Contrabajissimo out of the competition and will come up with something else.

Yes I see. You got a reservation for the tenth place.Smile

EDIT: BUT, IN MY OPINION, ASTOR PIAZZOLLA IS APPROPRIATE, WE CAN POST EVEN 10 TANGO IN THIS POLL, NO PROBLEM


Well, it's there even out of competition and everyone can listen to it. So something else is fine. I don't like having something in the competition that is so close to something else.

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SONG # 1: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)
SONG # 2: BOSSANOVA
SONG # 3: ANDEAN FOLK
SONG # 4: LATIN ROCK
SONG # 5: RUMBA
SONG # 6: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)
SONG # 7: BAHAMIAN FOLK (Psychedelic calypso?)
SONG # 8: LATIN JAZZ-ROCK?
SONG # 9: SAMBA?
SONG # 10: LEWIAN
That's it! A personal style for myself in a list with these other great rhythms and genres! I think I can die in peace now! Big smile



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I'll go with a British entry then... one of the two best songs from Working Week's awesome debut album. And this one is based on an - I think - Bossa Nova rhythm and has some Latin American lyrics. (This video was posted by snicolette because my other one doesn't seem to work in the US:)


Originally posted video:


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Here's my out of competition song - an absolutely beautiful piece of music and singing that is rather well-known in Italy because of the cover by Mina. The genre is, of course, bossa nova (dedicated to our dear friend Guigo aka Atkingani and his lovely wife Ana Heart):
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Until now:

SONG # 1: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)
SONG # 2: BOSSANOVA
SONG # 3: ANDEAN FOLK
SONG # 4: LATIN ROCK
SONG # 5: RUMBA
SONG # 6: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)
SONG # 7: BAHAMIAN FOLK (Psychedelic calypso?)
SONG # 8:
SONG # 9:
SONG # 10: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)

Not sure whether you have seen my edit. I took Contrabajissimo out of the competition and will come up with something else.

Yes I see. You got a reservation for the tenth place.Smile

EDIT: BUT, IN MY OPINION, ASTOR PIAZZOLLA IS APPROPRIATE, WE CAN POST EVEN 10 TANGO SONGS IN THIS POLL, NO PROBLEM.



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