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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2012 at 12:17
Whew...that punishment is a tough one. I assume Williams will be out for over a year being it seems he is the real focal point. Any idea who is going to coach the saints for the first six games at least?
 
 
And whhyyyy??!God damn. Im no jet fan but  I do live in the area...I can only imainge the tebow talk will be even worse now that he is close......
 
But lol @ the jets...first they sign Sanchez to a longish contract than they go and get Tebow. And I thought Miami had a bad off season! Time to go poke fun at my friends who are jet fans.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2012 at 12:05
Wow the judgment for the Saints' bounty involvement came down, and it's harsh.

  • Sean Peyton suspended for the year
  • Saints' GM suspended for 8 games including inability to conduct draft day decisions or contract negotiations
  • Greg Williams suspended indefinitely
  • Saints docked the next two 2nd round picks and a fine


And Tebow is a Jet. First the front office gives an inexplicable extension and raise to one of the worst qbs I've ever seen two years before it being necessary. Now they bring in Tebow? Maybe Peyton didn't want to go there since the front office obviously suffers from a collective dementia.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2012 at 23:29
Indeed, and even "soft" hits are still hits. Some of these dudes are small. I still cant believe Wes Welker is my size and goes out there. One hit from a linebacker and I'm dead.

Well I meant specifically helmet hits, I do agree the inconsistency of calls is horrid. I try not to dwell on it since I'm a fan but yeah, that first game was handed to the Pack on a silver platter and I think it's obvious. Rodgers and also Brees have been added to the golden QB list.

I do think nothing could be done about the 3 Super Bowls for it'd be a clusterf**k, but I did lose ANY respect for Goodell after he gave the Pats and wrist slap.

I try to just enjoy the game and not get pissed off with this stuff. To their credit, I thought the officiating was much better in the playoffs, a lot more "letting them play". Ironic it was after public outcry and goodell saying "officiating should be fair". The people can always have some sway if they complain enough!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2012 at 22:52
I agree that there is a ton of lazy tackling and that players need to focus on wrapping up.  Maybe it's because all of todays players grew up watching the flashy Deion Sanders go his entire career without ever tackling anyone LOL
 
NFL players are destined for a hard later life due to the strain they put on their bodies just getting ready to play every week.
 
If the league were to put together some sort of past-player/current-or-past-official panel to hand out punishments for "bad" hits after all a weeks games are played I would be fine with that but they need to stop penalizing entire teams and effecting the outcomes of games over split second judgement calls on an an ever changing rule.  I'm sure you remember the completely ridiculous roughing the passer called on the Giants that kept what would become a Packers TD drive alive as they tried to make a comback.  Officials are pissing their pants out there trying to avoid getting in trouble for letting something go unflagged.  It's insane how compromised the integrity of each game has become because of one man.  It's not enough that he completely let the Patriots off the hook for cheating their way to 3 Super Bowls win he has to micromanage the officiating in such a way that they can't do their jobs at all (not that they did that great before).


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2012 at 22:37
As for Pat, certainly a good pick up. D jax has his money now. All is good. This has to be the year though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2012 at 22:34
Fair enough.

And no I really do not like helmet to helmet to hits. I also think it's a bit lazy since you no longer need to wrap up and tackle. I also don't like the "shoulder hits" you see all the time because many players just shake it off and burn you. Lazy ass tackling, but that's less dangerous. Hey man it's a violent game, guys still get messed up all the time, even with how soft its become a lot of these players will need wheelchairs and become half robotic in their older days.
I just think it's fine to cut down where possible. Hard hits are fine, and if helmets hit too bad. If it's blatant, I'm fine with it being called in that case.

You are right it's inconsistently called and yes a lot of the clean, hard hits are also getting penalized and it's BS



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2012 at 22:25

Ben gets hit in and around the head a lot and it's rarely called.  Ngata punched him in the face, breaking his nose, a two years ago and nothing was called.  Terrell Suggs hits Andy Dalton in the head and then horse collar tackles him on the final play of a game last year and it goes completely untalked about.  There are no real rules, the league selectively enforces everything and makes up rules that suit their interests as they go along.  Let the players play the damn game.  I think it's completely asinine that all of a sudden everybody believe that players can completely control how and where they will be hitting someone if they are both travelling at full speed.  You guys are all eating GODell's bullsh*t with a serving spoon.  Harrison is not trying to contact helmets or end careers he's just hitting the player with the ball at a high rate of speed as was celebrated for the leagues first 75+ season.  Of course I'd be upset if someone blatantly clubbed Ben in the head but it just doesn't happen that way.  Given Ben's tendency to hold onto the ball for way too long he's far more likely to go out like Joe Theismann (a perfectly legal hit by LT, by the way).



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2012 at 22:02
Oh fine, but I was sincere about the question.
Would you honestly not mind if someone did the same to Ben?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2012 at 21:58

Now you're pissing me off.  I didn't admit anything.  I say the rules change from week to week and it's "you admit he's breaking the rules".  I say he could care less about "taking someone out" and he's head hunting.  You sicken me.  I don't accept your bassackwards premise to begin with so I'm not playing your little game.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2012 at 21:52
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:



Who cares though because THE EAGLES TRADED FOR AN IMPACT LINEBACKER.


Yeah I'm pretty pissed, you finally have a linebacker. Angry
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2012 at 21:50
Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Harrison makes what would have been considered textbook hits before GODell was commish.  Also, the "rules" are completely ambiguous from week to week now.  Harrison could care less about taking someone out.  He just goes full speed into his hits and what happens happens.


Noo, I'm getting into it again but just gunna focus on the highlighted part. You admit it, he admits it...like it or not it's the rule and he blatantly says screw the rule, and he gets upset about being suspended? LOL

You truly would not care if someone made a blatant hit right to Ben's head? What if he misses 6 games because of it, while a hit to the chest would've been brushed off? (And still a sack)
If not, you are really one conservative b*****dLOL

I never want someone to be seriously hurt, but I hope Harrison does one of his helmet hits and misses a whole f**kin year because of it.





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2012 at 21:46
The rules are ambiguous, but the rules against helmet-to-helmet are not. It's a part of the game that needs to be changed.

Who cares though because THE EAGLES TRADED FOR AN IMPACT LINEBACKER.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2012 at 21:37
Harrison makes what would have been considered textbook hits before GODell was commish.  Also, the "rules" are completely ambiguous from week to week now.  Harrison could care less about taking someone out.  He just goes full speed into his hits and what happens happens.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2012 at 21:02
Yeah the whole "dirty" thing annoys me.

It's known that I believe Harrison is a dirty (and lazy) player. He plays to hurt, not tackle. He tries to take you out, and while MoM won't admit it....if you watch he always lowered his head to go for a blatant hit. He even admitted to not following the rule!

Ward is aggressive, maybe (like Suh) it gets the best of him. That's not dirty.


 Flozell Adams from the Cowboys was dirty. I believe he was the most penalized player in history, mainly holding and personal foul calls and had quite a habit of...."accidentally tripping" Giant players.
God I never thought I'd hate a linemanLOL



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2012 at 19:05
Well when your defense incapacitates a certain unnamed quarterback in a playoff game (say around 2006 or so) by going at his knees (and IMO ruining the rest of his career), you tend to be accused of certain things.

Although I do agree that there are a lot more restrictions on certain hits. I would draw the line with shots at the knees or head, but that's about it. We're going to be going to professional flag football at the current rate.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2012 at 18:55

Anyone who hits hard is a "dirty" now.  He broke one of your boy's jaw on a clean hit, as I recall, and the league overreacted and changed the rules.  Such a sissy slap game now.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2012 at 18:39
I hated Hines mostly because we had to see him twice a year (not like the Bungles were anything worthwhile most of the time anyway). Also because I still think he's a dirty player. I will sigh and shake my head on the day he makes it into the HoF.

Where's Robert's blue smh smiley when you need it? Angry


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2012 at 17:20
You could do an "of my lifetime" list.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2012 at 17:19
Actually, I don't think with Sanders style of running that his numbers would have been that different with better teams.  Emmitt Smith was the type of runner that needed a ridiculous o-line to be great, Barry Sanders was not.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2012 at 15:27
First, 4-3 is the only way to go Big smile and seconded with, I can only really vouch for players from 2004 on (or the general time period)
My all time list would just be all the big names. Most of which I know of but have never even seen highlight clips of.
Though I would have to pick Barry Sanders for my all time RB because he was on the Lions....imagine him on the Bears or Cowboys! Even more behind an all time o line? An unstoppable force!



Ah yes, I wonder how Pat felt after the retirement of Michael Strahan, my guess is not quite as happy as Donovan McNabbLOL




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