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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 12:59 |
Dean wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
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Building a road a $1 at a time isn't very cost effective. |
And if you believe that they will actually use the money for what they say they will despite there being no provision in the bills that requires this, then I have a bridge to sell you in Florida.
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I don't believe anything, I just state that tax money cannot be spent on what it is earmarked for until you've collected enough to pay for what you intend to use it on. Calling people liars before they commit the offense is not something I'm prone to.
We sell useless bridges to you (and I think you'll find it in Arizona) |
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CPicard
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 12:58 |
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That being said, recent history has shown the blur between the lines, fascist left (Putin) vs socialist right (most of Europe)
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Uh, I... I'm not very sure it works that way... I could understand categorizations such as "authoritarian post-communist with nationalist tendencies" for Putin. I could understand "conservative governments accepting social assistance". But "socialist right" or "fascist left", I'm not sure politologues would agree with these "definitions".
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Dean
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 12:47 |
thellama73 wrote:
Dean wrote:
Building a road a $1 at a time isn't very cost effective. |
And if you believe that they will actually use the money for what they say they will despite there being no provision in the bills that requires this, then I have a bridge to sell you in Florida.
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I don't believe anything, I just state that tax money cannot be spent on what it is earmarked for until you've collected enough to pay for what you intend to use it on. Calling people liars before they commit the offense is not something I'm prone to.
We sell useless bridges to you (and I think you'll find it in Arizona)
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tszirmay
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 12:47 |
The words themselves clearly define the meaning of intelligent. Conservative means that you stick to what works and don't shake the boat. Which can be good , in some cases. Liberal is almost synonym with open-minded, looking constantly for new ways to improve.
That being said, recent history has shown the blur between the lines, fascist left (Putin) vs socialist right (most of Europe) , proving once and for all that politicians are mostly self-serving, egotist elitists who are in it for themselves. Recent history also shows the remarkable tendency to provide power to people who have so very little to offer, mostly gutless, manipulated puppets who follow whichever trend the winds decide.
Truth is, why is there no third option? a clear and concise third vision that is independent from the vagaries of failed history is what we need. I fear that our global society still has difficulty counting to 3.
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CPicard
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 12:46 |
Intelligence is a sign of intelligence.
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 12:41 |
I suspect that our brains exhibit a complexity sufficient to make statements like "x is a sign of intelligence" rather stupid.
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 12:38 |
I suspect that empathy is a sign of intelligence. It is one of the things that distinguishes us from animals. I think if you had no empathy you would be less intelligent
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thellama73
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 12:37 |
Dean wrote:
Building a road a $1 at a time isn't very cost effective. |
And if you believe that they will actually use the money for what they say they will despite there being no provision in the bills that requires this, then I have a bridge to sell you in Florida.
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thellama73
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 12:35 |
Slarti's argument makes no sense. Conservatives are less intelligent because they are rich and lack empathy for the poor. Setting aside the obvious problems with this logic (what does empathy have to do with intelligence?) there's the fact that MOST RICH PEOPLE ARE LIBERAL! Ted Turner, George Soros, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, John Kerry, the Kennedys for crying out loud. Movie Stars, musicians, authors and heiresses all have a huge majority of liberals in their number. How then, does the argument that conservatives are richness leads to lack of empathy make any sense whatsoever? I would appreciate a serious response.
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CPicard
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 12:34 |
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Dean
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 12:31 |
Building a road a $1 at a time isn't very cost effective.
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What?
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The T
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 12:23 |
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thellama73
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 12:21 |
Having grown up in Georgia and having family there, I know about the 1% sales tax thing. It is supposedly being used for public transportation, which I think Atlanta desperately needs, but if you read the fine print it says that the tax will come now, and the infrastructure will come at some, undefined point in the future. There is no specific proposal for what to do with the money.
It's another example of stealing your money by lying to you about what it will be used for.
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CPicard
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 12:20 |
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The T
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 12:10 |
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CPicard
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 12:08 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
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The common good of the bureaucracy in many instances, sadly. |
Try plutocracy and you have it right for the state of Georgia.
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I didn't know you were following news from the Caucasian countries.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 12:02 |
The T wrote:
The common good of the bureaucracy in many instances, sadly. |
Try plutocracy and you have it right for the state of Georgia.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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CPicard
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 11:55 |
thellama73 wrote:
If you're not forcibly taking money from people, you must have a heart of ice!
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Now, I feel empathy for robbers.
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The T
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 11:50 |
The common good of the bureaucracy in many instances, sadly.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 11:47 |
I'm not inherently opposed to taxes as long as they applied for the common good.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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