Bin Laden is dead.

lazland wrote: aginor wrote: france and birttain also have someeting to do with the conflict in the mideleast, when they after 1st World war, took each others parts of the old Ottoman empire and made new borders Indeed, good old Imperial Great Britain is responsible for laying down the roots of the majority of present day conflicts in the world, a fact I am utterly ashamed of.

Hey, look, we're trying.
But seriously, empires have a habit of doing those kind of things.

rushfan4 wrote: Hell, it goes back way further than WWI.  It goes back to the days of the Crusades.  It just got even worse after WWI, and of course WWII, when Arabs were forced to move to make way for Israel.

True, but you can't blame the US then! And that's what it's all about isn't it??
Indeed, the seeds that have grown the tree of hatred towards The West (which America is the face of) are deeply deeply seeded.
And people think going to a few wars will fix that mess!

aginor wrote: france and birttain also have someeting to do with the conflict in the mideleast, when they after 1st World war, took each others parts of the old Ottoman empire and made new borders

Quite right you are, and of course Britain and France were the benefactors of carving up the Ottoman Empire and colonizing it.

france and birttain also have someeting to do with the conflict in the mideleast, when they after 1st World war, took each others parts of the old Ottoman empire and made new borders

The T wrote: The US pretty much picked this fight. Long ago. When they pretry much settled on holy land. And also when they armed Bin Laden. Twofold way of picking the fight.

Sorry for a massively late response

For the record: The US government sure. Roots of what led to 9/11 go back farther than most can even guess.
However, the innocent people killed didn't pick any fights.

And I hate when people give the standard "no way, you put em in power" theory because being on this international site has made me realize everyone hates their politicians, and almost everywhere those in power seem to act with disregard to the people. Can't bash government "x" without responsibility and say the US people deserve whatever we get for being in the same boat...

Also, as you probably know Teo the US foreign policy of pissing off the Middle East, thus growing a group born to hate us, does go very far back.
But go to a family who lost a parent/spouse because they were in work...and tell them "The US picked this fight because starting since World War I business interests have been raping the Middle East" and see how they take to that.

That statement in quotes is 100% true and deeply saddening to me, but I just wanted to make sure you weren't trying to say us normal people are to blame for picking this fight!

aginor wrote: JJLehto wrote: Yes, I 100% wish there was a trial instead. I also would've preferred to see him rot in jail, but have to be honest and assume.....a trial would've resulted in his death anyway. Although it would taste far better than going in, shooting him, and throwing the body in the ocean. Speaking of which....the pictures are not being released?? Ugh.....it really is times like this when I think "WOW! The government really can't do the most common sense things" NO LIBERTARIAN STORM PLEASE!   one can always make a demonstraiton to make the gouverment release the picture, and free democracy have the reigh to protest or to orgenise demonstrations in public places,,,

This is true, but most accept it (hell even AQ hasn't said anything contrary...and if they accept he's dead...) so I doubt they'll be much fuss.
Besides, Wikileaks will hack it and release the pics and vids eventually

JJLehto wrote: Yes, I 100% wish there was a trial instead. I also would've preferred to see him rot in jail, but have to be honest and assume.....a trial would've resulted in his death anyway. Although it would taste far better than going in, shooting him, and throwing the body in the ocean. Speaking of which....the pictures are not being released?? Ugh.....it really is times like this when I think "WOW! The government really can't do the most common sense things" NO LIBERTARIAN STORM PLEASE!

Yes, I 100% wish there was a trial instead. I also would've preferred to see him rot in jail, but have to be honest and assume.....a trial would've resulted in his death anyway.

Although it would taste far better than going in, shooting him, and throwing the body in the ocean.
Speaking of which....the pictures are not being released?? Ugh.....it really is times like this when I think "WOW! The government really can't do the most common sense things"
NO LIBERTARIAN STORM PLEASE!

Although there is little doubt that Bin Laden was thoroughly involved, Jean is absolutely correct in one massively important principle of law, one that has served us all very well since Roman times - a man is not guilty until he has been judged by a jury of his peers - simple as.