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Equality 7-2521 
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 Posted: January 24 2011 at 14:17 |
 Proletariat wrote:
Ok?
If they make me a better offer delivering pacages thats fine and perhaps i will use them but I don't see why that means that the USPS should cease to exist. |
That means that I shouldn't be taxed to allow you to send your letters at a lower price. I don't care that it exists. I care that it's funded by tax revenue, and that law prevents other companies from providing the same services that they do.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 24 2011 at 14:16 |
harmonium.ro wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
There are other companies which deliver packages. The only one which is legally allowed to deliver letters is the USPS. They're also the only ones allowed to place their deliveries in mail boxes.
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I see, but I wouldn't call that a monopoly.
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Ummmm, how not? They're the only company which provides a particular service. They're the only company allowed by law to provide the service. That is a monopoly by definition.
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Proletariat
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Posted: January 24 2011 at 14:07 |
Ok?
If they make me a better offer delivering pacages thats fine and perhaps i will use them but I don't see why that means that the USPS should cease to exist.
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Proletariat
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Posted: January 24 2011 at 14:05 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
There are other companies which deliver packages. The only one which is legally allowed to deliver letters is the USPS. They're also the only ones allowed to place their deliveries in mail boxes. |
So?
Obviously the main purpose of the postal service is easy taxation and its nice of the government to let me piggyback my letters on it. I realize your views, and that you will disagree but I think there are much bigger problems than reforming an inexpensive yet effective government system.
As far as being the only service to use mailboxes it helps prevent mail theft and streamlines the system. You can get symaler boxes for newspapers, if UPS wanted to pay for me to get a mail box for UPS it would be different but private corperations don't have that kind of ability for the most part that the govenment does
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: January 24 2011 at 14:01 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
There are other companies which deliver packages. The only one which is legally allowed to deliver letters is the USPS. They're also the only ones allowed to place their deliveries in mail boxes.
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I see, but I wouldn't call that a monopoly.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 24 2011 at 14:00 |
Proletariat wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
harmonium.ro wrote:
The T wrote:
That's why it would be better to de-regulate. That way the consumer can choose the option that will pay him if the fools lose his mail. |
Derugulate what exactly?
As far as I know, there isn't any company offering refund in the simple price of the mailing, hence Rob's cry for a solution.
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UPS will reimburse the shipper for lost or damaged good without the need for insurance on a package. I assume FedEx has an identical policy.
Maybe deregulation by eliminating the USPS and its monopoly on mail delivery.
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Why?
USPS is a great service! Besides, it keeps UPS and FedEX from jacking up the prices of thier services. Not everything needs to be deregulated or defederalized
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That's nonsense. For one they're cheaper in most areas anyway. Also, the USPS services cost more than the price you pay since it's funded partly by taxes.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 24 2011 at 13:59 |
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There are other companies which deliver packages. The only one which is legally allowed to deliver letters is the USPS. They're also the only ones allowed to place their deliveries in mail boxes.
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Proletariat
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Posted: January 24 2011 at 13:58 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
harmonium.ro wrote:
The T wrote:
That's why it would be better to de-regulate. That way the consumer can choose the option that will pay him if the fools lose his mail. |
Derugulate what exactly?
As far as I know, there isn't any company offering refund in the simple price of the mailing, hence Rob's cry for a solution.
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UPS will reimburse the shipper for lost or damaged good without the need for insurance on a package. I assume FedEx has an identical policy.
Maybe deregulation by eliminating the USPS and its monopoly on mail delivery.
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Why?
USPS is a great service! Besides, it keeps UPS and FedEX from jacking up the prices of thier services. Not everything needs to be deregulated or defederalized
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: January 24 2011 at 13:57 |
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What monopoly, if there are other companies?
This is the first time I hear about a company including full refunding in the standard mailing cost, kudos to them.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 24 2011 at 13:50 |
harmonium.ro wrote:
The T wrote:
That's why it would be better to de-regulate. That way the consumer can choose the option that will pay him if the fools lose his mail. |
Derugulate what exactly?
As far as I know, there isn't any company offering refund in the simple price of the mailing, hence Rob's cry for a solution.
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UPS will reimburse the shipper for lost or damaged good without the need for insurance on a package. I assume FedEx has an identical policy. Maybe deregulation by eliminating the USPS and its monopoly on mail delivery.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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The T
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Posted: January 24 2011 at 13:15 |
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^Maybe raising the prices of postal services, thus in the end doing harm to the customer.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: January 24 2011 at 12:43 |
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I don't have any actual information on this so I'm just speculating, but that looks rather like a situation where the customer's rights could be inforced either by regulation or, maybe (0,1% probability?) anti monopoly/cartel measures.
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The T
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Posted: January 24 2011 at 12:25 |
Maybe because there is a big giant public mail service that doesn't offer this type of refund or compensation, the private ones just follow suit knowing there's no need to innovate in that issue.
Anyway, postal service is not really one of my major concerns. USPS, Fedex and UPS work decently enough.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: January 24 2011 at 12:20 |
The T wrote:
That's why it would be better to de-regulate. That way the consumer can choose the option that will pay him if the fools lose his mail. |
Derugulate what exactly? As far as I know, there isn't any company offering refund in the simple price of the mailing, hence Rob's cry for a solution.
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The T
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Posted: January 24 2011 at 12:04 |
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That's why it would be better to de-regulate. That way the consumer can choose the option that will pay him if the fools lose his mail.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: January 24 2011 at 11:46 |
The T wrote:
^He's complaining about USPS, hardly a private company. |
They were discussing the mail service in general. If a regulation is imposed, it would affect both the public and the private mail companies just the same.
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The T
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Posted: January 24 2011 at 11:41 |
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^He's complaining about USPS, hardly a private company.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: January 24 2011 at 11:38 |
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The T
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Posted: January 24 2011 at 11:33 |
I had to google your response  . "Damn skippy". You're killing the language Rob 
Edited by The T - January 24 2011 at 11:34
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Epignosis
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Posted: January 24 2011 at 11:26 |
The T wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
clarkpegasus4001 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
clarkpegasus4001 wrote:
I don't think it's the mail service that's the problem anyway, at the end of the day if you insure your package you will get a refund if it's lost right? More and more folk choose to download which is going to impact on cd sales being sold and posted.
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Why should one have to pay extra for insurance? The post office is providing a service and I am paying for that service. If they fail to safely deliver whatever it is I am sending, then I should be compensated for my loss.
Should people have to pay for insurance in case the pizza they ordered and already paid for doesn't arrive?
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I'm taking about a high value item.
Tony C.
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I'm talking about any item.
If I pay a moving company to transport my furniture from one house to a new house, and they wind up destroying it all, should I be compensated for my loss, or is it just "too bad, you didn't pay for the insurance?"
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Just read the fine print in any thing you sign. Sometimes that kind of ridiculous idea is hidden there.
Anyway, now seriously, I agree with you. When you pay for a service, you expect it to be performed or compensated. When you buy something, you expect it to work, or get a refund. In this case you are paying for a service AND sending something of inherent value. You should be compensated if it gets lost, for two concurrent reasons: 1) service was not provided; 2) Item of inherent value -even if it's just personal value-has been lost. Insurance is quite stupid. |
Damn skippy.
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