Neil Peart

Forget it. Anyone who claims that having too many drums is a reason that someone isn't as good a drummer as we think he is, is not worth responding to.

rushaholic wrote: BaldFriede wrote: rushaholic wrote: ^^ Predictable??  The only thing predictable with Peart discussions is that you will always show up to put Peart fans in their place. These discussions always get silly anyways.  Always boils down to a matter of taste. This comment only shows rthat you have not understood a word of what i wrote., If Peart is your favourite drummer - fine; I have absolutely nothing against that - de gustibus non est disputandum. But a certain kind of Peart fans behave as if only Peart could drum. When I see comments like "Peart, who else?" in drum polls (and there are lots of them in the archives; just take a look at other drum polls) it angers me; it shows disrespect to all the rest of excellent drummers which are out there. This behaviour and nothing else is what I criticize. I do not doubt Mr. Peart's abilitiesat all, though personally I find him boring; but that is a question of style. But I am a drummer myself and have played drums for over 25 xears now, and believe me, Peart is definitely not that special as these kind of fans claim. Your posts concerning Peart are quite hysterical.  The vitriol you spew out against him is old and its boring.  Move on.

You only prove that you srtill have not understood what I wrote. There was absolutely nothing vitriolic against Peart in my post; only a Rushfan could see it that way. Waht#s more, you seem to fall into that catgegory of ush fans which I have critisized, those who think Peart is the überdrummer and then nothng comes for a long time. If he is your personal favourite drummer, fine; I have nothing against that. But  there are dozens of drummers who are equally good; Peart is in now way "better" than them; you only like him more. Go on.

I remember reading a few years ago that Frieda thought she was a better drummer than Peart and that he had too many drums. Or was it because he had too many drums?

Friede your criticism of Peart because of his fans is ludicrous.

One of my favorite rock drummers of all time for sure. I also dig his lyrics very much....tracks like The Pass, Afterimage, Open Secrets and etc. His lyrics always amaze me

The T wrote: Music that is played exactly as it is written down is as good as music with some inprovisations as long as it is good music. And that has been true, always. Peart favors a very calculated style, and he's fantastic on that.

My dislike, if one could call it that, of Peart is chiefly the way I came across him first. His name meant absolutely nothing to me when I first came here; Rush were considered to be a hard rock band by me, which is due to the marketing image which they have in Germany. And no, don't try to prove to me that Rush is mostly regarded as a prog band in Germany; it is I who live in that country and not you, with a few exceptions. If record shops in Cologne place their albums under "Hard Rock" it says all that is to be said about that point.
Then I read a few posts that depicted him as the überdrummer, so I went and listened to some of the music of Rush and thought "yeah well, solid drumming, but nothing special; I have heard a lot more interesting drumming before". My expec tations were simply disappointed; I could not see what was so special about this man (and I stil don't, by the way). Once again: I do NOT question Mr. Peart's abilities at all, I am just saying that there are dozens of drummers with equal skills around.


Edited by BaldFriede - January 07 2011 at 20:53

^ I know...we all know.

Edited by Snow Dog - January 07 2011 at 18:46

The T wrote: Music that is played exactly as it is written down is as good as music with some inprovisations as long as it is good music. And that has been true, always. Peart favors a very calculated style, and he's fantastic on that.

You're being very disrespectful to Romantic and Serialist composers. It's okay if you don't like them, but you shouldn't be disrespectful using terms like 'genius cult' and 'old "Romantic ideal"'.

Catcher10 wrote: It really boils down to a matter of taste.....I think BaldFriede based on other posts your passion for music does not lie in heavy prog where Rush on this site is categorized. It lies in more jazz/fusion based bands like Mani's style of playing...At least that is what I feel based on your other posts and the bands you have mentioned or drummers you have mentioned. This is more a fan appreciation thread by the OP, not a compariosn of Neil Peart to other drummers poll or style of play. Although I appreciate your opinion and posts I think this thread is not the place to express your dislike of Neil Peart's playing. So I can understand where some of the comments against what you posted are coming from.....I think you just picked the wrong thread.......The other ones are more appropriate to voice your displeasure and would get better responses.

Wrong - I like heavy prog a lot; High Tide are one of my favourite bands. And you get me wrong - I don't really dislike his playing. What I dislike is that he will stick to what he played in studio even in live versions. I read an interview with Peart, and I know where this comes from - it is a misunderstanding of classical music. it appears that Mr. Peart thinks there is no impovisation in classical music, but this is true only for symphonies.All classical composers were great improvisors. It was the Romantic period with its genius cult that claimed that only what is written down should be plaed.But any music that is for example for "harpsichord and basso continuo!" leaves a lot of room for improvisation for both the soloist and the continuo group. Modern performances of classical music bring back this spirit of improvisation and leave more room for the soloists and even for the accompanying orchestra.
Peart on the other hand follows that old "Romantic ideal", which is why in his live performances he will play exactly the same what he played in the studio, note for note and hit for hit. This is in my opinion totally uninspired and boring drumming.

It really boils down to a matter of taste.....I think BaldFriede based on other posts your passion for music does not lie in heavy prog where Rush on this site is categorized. It lies in more jazz/fusion based bands like Mani's style of playing...At least that is what I feel based on your other posts and the bands you have mentioned or drummers you have mentioned.